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SFMA Big Spring Build Contest => SFMA Big Spring Build Contest 2014 => Topic started by: Lufty on February 28, 2014, 03:00:21 pm

Title: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on February 28, 2014, 03:00:21 pm
Here we go! I have not decided on Enterprise or Defiant markings, but you get the point!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140228_124919_720_zpsb9f02404.jpg)

Good luck to everyone! This should be allot of fun!

My only concern is I'm not an experienced modeler, there's some experts in this group build, and I chose kind of a simple kit that's been overdone. However, I like this kit, and really want to try it out. I was torn on trying something more advanced, like lighting, a bigger scale, or modifying, but I think this will be my max ability at this point being my 2nd kit. But, hey, I'm in this for the experience!  :-X

Quick question. Since I am entering the Boxed category, no mods such as windows, stands, etc. are allowed correct? I'm not planning on any of those, but want to make sure I'm not in over my head if folks can modify the Box category.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Macupar on February 28, 2014, 03:02:05 pm
Good luck Lufty and have fun with this build!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: billski on February 28, 2014, 03:04:28 pm
Hey Lufty, Chris or Boyd will okay your entry soon, so good on you mate, picking a kit you like, it doesn't matter if this is your 2nd kit or your 22nd kit, you have decided to participate in bring the community together!!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: The Model Dude on February 28, 2014, 03:05:46 pm
I like your choice for the entry!  I wish you fun and success with the build and the contest!   8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: dlots1701a on February 28, 2014, 03:06:13 pm
good to go  Lufty at this point you can choose one or the other but you are approved
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: AnythingSciFi on February 28, 2014, 04:47:54 pm
Can't read your timestamp there. Can you maker it larger!

Love the Big =)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Tankton on February 28, 2014, 09:07:34 pm
Good choice. BTW we are all new at this at heart.
I bet I learn something from you watching this build.

Good luck and have fun.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: TrekWorks on February 28, 2014, 09:17:08 pm
Glad to see you are participating Lufty. You are correct, box stock means no add on parts. Only those that came with the model including decals.
You are free however to paint it any way you wish. Have fun and good luck.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: fumblethumbs on February 28, 2014, 09:24:12 pm

I bet I learn something from you watching this build.



Exactly!!!



Have fun with it Lufty!  :)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: RE202 on February 28, 2014, 09:40:00 pm
Here we go! I have not decided on Enterprise or Defiant markings, but you get the point!



My only concern is I'm not an experienced modeler, there's some experts in this group build, and I chose kind of a simple kit that's been overdone. However, I like this kit, and really want to try it out. I was torn on trying something more advanced, like lighting, a bigger scale, or modifying, but I think this will be my max ability at this point being my 2nd kit. But, hey, I'm in this for the experience!  :-X



Lufty, I'm pretty much in the same boat you're in, as an amateur.  The nice thing is, these guys (TrekWorks and the gang) have all been very supportive of all us NOOBs, and so I'm certain that you'll have an outstanding experience with this kit.  Hell, take a look at what I'm jumping in with!   That's a mammoth undertaking for a NOOB like me.  ;)

Good luck, and I'm sure you'll do fine.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 01, 2014, 10:40:49 pm
Rub-a-dub-dub! A wee Connie in a tub!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140301_203018_202_zps6ae347ce.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140301_203054_452_zps18a2e24e.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140301_203023_117_zps862def87.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: jellis11 on March 01, 2014, 11:25:30 pm
Good luck lufty! I love this kit.....I've killed two of em so far on the forums here.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 02, 2014, 02:20:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIAD3Yu4xs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVWZxcF9_urDlXuRkBktN4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIAD3Yu4xs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVWZxcF9_urDlXuRkBktN4A)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 02, 2014, 02:35:11 pm
Test fitting started, and a little bit of trimming naturally.

So far things look good, nacelles are tight fitting, as well as secondary and primary hulls. The support pylons are friggin' weird though. I will have to agree with Boyd's thoughts on his build of this kit in his video, they way they connect to the nacelles is strange, and I don't really understand it. I'll look at it more.

However, and for some reason, I can't get my head around this...most videos and instructions I've seen on folks builds of this kit SKIP the assembly of the bussards, and nearly everyone I've seen assembles the nacelles, putties, and prime/paints them PRIOR to assembling the clear parts/bussards. It makes sense, all the prep and main base coat work is done without having to mask the clear parts...but how does one assemble them after assembly?

Here is one test fit together. The clear part (inner bussard) goes in the end of the nacelle (according to directions) before each port and starboard section is assembled, locking the inner bussard clear part in place.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140302_121457_046_zpsd87e715f.jpg)

Then the bussard cover and flange part get glued to the end of the nacelle I assume (they certainly don't "snap") with canopy glue. These are not glued, just test fit FYI.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140302_121638_317_zpse878b3a0.jpg)

Looking at the nacelle assembled without the bussard collector assembly in place, there is no way I can see to insert the inner clear part (which will be clear red painted) into the end of the nacelle. Perhaps one just trims out the end of the nacelle enough to glue in the inner bussard (red/clear) part in place with canopy glue? Hmmm...I'm stumped.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140302_121607_724_zpsb784bd49.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: wolf 359 on March 02, 2014, 03:33:49 pm
nice start
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Joe Boss Red Seven on March 02, 2014, 04:24:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIAD3Yu4xs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVWZxcF9_urDlXuRkBktN4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIAD3Yu4xs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVWZxcF9_urDlXuRkBktN4A)

That IS a lot of Turbulence...
 ;D
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: fumblethumbs on March 02, 2014, 04:36:02 pm
Great start on it Lufty! 

I see what you mean about the bussard assembly dilemma.

It's been a couple of years since I built this kit but IIRC what I did was
simply eliminate the inner bussard clear part.  I painted the inside of the outer clear
bussard red and stuck it on after all the paintwork was done....I think  :o
I was building the TOS series version so...That's how I worked it out.....IIRC.

The pylon to hull issue....Yeah, I remember butchering up the pylon "pegs" pretty good
to get them installed decently.

Looking good Lufty!  :)

Jeff 
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: fumblethumbs on March 02, 2014, 04:39:04 pm
It just occurred to me Lufty......Could you carve off the
raised ring on the inner bussard to install it after nacelle completion??
Of course you could certainly just install that part before the nacelle halves are put
together as per directions and mask it up well.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 02, 2014, 04:59:13 pm
It just occurred to me Lufty......Could you carve off the
raised ring on the inner bussard to install it after nacelle completion??
Of course you could certainly just install that part before the nacelle halves are put
together as per directions and mask it up well.

Thanks for the suggestion! Yeah, taking a look at both parts, either sanding/filing a bit off the nacells at the forward section around the inside "rim" shouldn't interfere with anything, OR as you suggested, just trim the bussard end, which has a slot grooved for the assembly anyhow.

I think this was set up to hold the bussards in place when just "snap" fitting everything, so a little trim, of either or a tiny bit on both sections should do the trick. Thankfully this kit comes with a whole extra set of nacelles for the  pilot versions, so I can experiment allot right there.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 03, 2014, 12:23:58 am
Man, checking out some of the other tasks fellow Spring Builders are tackling on their threads, I feel like a complete dolt struggling with my bussards.  :o

Perhaps I should have attempted a lighting mod...something to at least add something...not a stock box kit.  :-\ I think I'm in over my head...

...sooo tempted to return to lurk-ing.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Tankton on March 03, 2014, 12:28:02 am
You can do it. Your off to a good start. I have trouble with these
smaller kits myself. My rebel base is kicking my butt right now.
Lot's of eye strain with all the small stuff.

Keep at it take your time she'll look great.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Julien on March 03, 2014, 01:35:55 am
Come on, Lufty, doesn't matter what other people do ! What matter is that at the end, you will have a beautiful model that you've build yourself. ;)

For the bussards, if you want to keep the inner dome clear, just put some masking around it.

The last time I did that kit, I've painted the inner dome red (not clear), and the inside of the cover dome in clear red. I had also painted the nacelles and the cover domes separately and done the assembly of the two at the end.

Don't go too thick with the paint on the inner dome, it's a tight fit with the cover part.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: jellis11 on March 03, 2014, 08:30:39 am
I agree with Tank and Julien Lufty, don't give up! It'll turn out better than you think! You gotta have fun with it.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: paubin on March 03, 2014, 07:52:52 pm
Hang tuff bud. Think everything through and it'll be great
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: philco36 on March 03, 2014, 08:18:23 pm
I agree with everyone else. Stick with it. I just started this model myself, and I haven't gotten to the nacelle part yet, so what you do, will assist me!!

Phil
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: RE202 on March 03, 2014, 09:57:15 pm
I think I'm in over my head...

...sooo tempted to return to lurk-ing.

Don't give me that!  You're a modeler, on SFMA!!  You're up to the task!  I expect great things from you!

(Like...  possibly...  outclassing my Pegasus build.  I anticipate several people doing that, actually.)

Don't give up, bud.  You're doing fine.  :)

Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: dlots1701a on March 03, 2014, 10:01:23 pm
ok lufty take a deep breath calm down your letting the contest part get to you all you need too do is put the contest part out of your mind and just have fun building the connie and yes they can be fun if you need any advise ask or pm me be glad to help
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: 3rdplacetrekkie on March 04, 2014, 01:31:05 am
Man, checking out some of the other tasks fellow Spring Builders are tackling on their threads, I feel like a complete dolt struggling with my bussards.  :o

Perhaps I should have attempted a lighting mod...something to at least add something...not a stock box kit.  :-\ I think I'm in over my head...

...sooo tempted to return to lurk-ing.
Don't be intimidated! everyone here started with bussard struggling! live and learn! everyone here is cool, encouraging, and happy to lend advice if needed! Anyone who would think about doing otherwise will be shown the door! Build on and Build boldly! And have Fun!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 04, 2014, 03:26:17 am
Wow. Humbled.

I don't think I've ever participated on a forum and gotten so much positive encouragement, with perhaps exception to my RIFT guild, and my own forum(RIP), and even there, not so much as you guys have kindly offered up.  :)

I really appreciate it, and that's from the heart.

I occasionally go over the deep end on projects, interests, cognitive perceptions...I'm a black or white thinker by nature, it goes with my other pursuits as well. And that behavior showed up here. I apologize for that!  :-X

Thank you all for the encouragement! I will continue boldly going...
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: Lufty on March 04, 2014, 03:47:57 am
...on that note...

Got brave enough to step away from the rattle can for the first time, and tried my hand at basic airbrushing. BASIC. That includes my tools, and setup as you can see below.

Anyhow, I thought I would get used to the thing, and put a coat on a mockup/test base for my 1:2500.

It's weird, and cleanup kinda blows. But, with sanding, I think its better then the rattle can on the initial test applications I sprayed/heat gunned. I'll prime a big plastic (soda bottle, water bottle, etc.) or something and try some more tests, distance, thinner, etc as I move forward...yes forward.

I realized tonight I need a shop/garage or small spray booth. The latter is realistic. Got some ideas from a local modeler for using some 140mm case fans & tubing for exhaust hooked up to some kind of container/box. I foresee a trip to the hardware store, and perhaps a craigslist scrounge coming up.\

AGAIN... Thank you for the encouragement and kind words, all of you! (kicked my butt in shape)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140304_011554_126_zps2678e5ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: philco36 on March 04, 2014, 04:35:36 am
Nice go at it bud. I just recently bought my first air brush, a badger 350. I got a real great deal at my local hobby shop(which is closing, sniff). I can't wait to try it. The compressor I purchased from Amazon(christmas amazon gift cards). And NEVER apologize for being human bud!! The Great Bird of the Galaxy would NEVER allow you to apologize for the human condition!!

Phil
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale
Post by: The Model Dude on March 04, 2014, 10:55:30 am
Man, checking out some of the other tasks fellow Spring Builders are tackling on their threads, I feel like a complete dolt struggling with my bussards.  :o

Perhaps I should have attempted a lighting mod...something to at least add something...not a stock box kit.  :-\ I think I'm in over my head...

...sooo tempted to return to lurk-ing.

You are doing GREAT!  Heh, wait until you get a load of what I have going.  I, sir, destroy more models before 9 am then most model makers do all day!  Keep everyone's feedback in mind; just like you said, this forum is very encouraging.  Great people here!   8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 04, 2014, 09:54:24 pm
Here's some thoughs I had and have been posting in the Tips and Tools section regarding the saucer gridlines and possible paint techniques for scratch aztecing. Not sure about the scratch Aztec thing yet, as that may be over my head, but man, it would look cool.

I've seen some folks use a compass or template method on other sites to create the gridlines on the causer that I am willing to take a crack at, so been looking into that with some Sinclair Blueprints files I downloaded . I can scan and drop those in CAD and resize them to the correct scale and use them as a basic template for the gridlines I think.

Thoughts are welcome!

I'd recommend a flat coat to write on.  Pencils really do not work on a smooth glossy surface--trust  me.  The other issue is keeping the line consistent, as a regular lead will widen as it wears down.

A small diameter drafting pen may be the best option, but there you need to be sure the surface is compatible with the ink, and that your top coat won't run.

Do the rules allow printing your own decals?

I'm pretty sure the rules are, all stock, including decals, no modifications. However, one can "paint" any way they like. I think that's where I can achieve some success in adding some "pop" to the otherwise plain saucer section of the PL 1:1000. I am thinking on creating my own Aztecs and then doing the compass method, either the CD technique that Starseigeplayer suggested, compass, or template, or combination of all three.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 04, 2014, 11:55:22 pm
Got the inner bussard clear part installation into an assembled nacelle figured out tonight.

Here you can see that I trimmed the bussard collector part down a tiny bit, and I mean a tiny bit, with a brand new hobby knife. Then I used my jewelers files, flat and round, to take that edge down bit by bit, checking frequently against the fit to the assembled nacelle. I stopped filing as soon as I could get it past the nacelle inner opening without any force.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140304_212508_174_zpsccb80d2c.jpg)

I did the same to the inner portion of the nacelle, ensuring to leave plenty of surface for the outer bussard collector dome to be canopy glued to.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140302_121607_724a_zps6d931bc8.jpg)

Now you can see that the inner bussard collector dome just fits inside the nacelle while the nacelle is assembled. There is a little wiggle room, but nothing that some canopy glue can't fix, which needs to be applied anyhow.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140304_212536_379_zpsc514fd36.jpg)

Al this done, including a little college coursework, AND happened to look up and catch a great shot of ol' 1701 in the opening to Season 3 Episode 19 Requiem for Methuselah...yeah it's the CGI shot from Netflicks, but it's one of the better. Must have rewound that (err can one rewind anymore...) 6 times. :D
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 05, 2014, 11:44:03 am
Quick question, is scribing considered a modification?

ex. Some lines on the secondary hull could be deepened to assist in weathering I think. Also the bussard collector inner dome could use some scribing on the outside portion of the raised areas to assist in my thoughts on paint application.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: DanielCline on March 05, 2014, 12:01:21 pm
Greetings Luffy,

    While you have to wait for an official word, i'd like to weigh in with my thoughts... Panel lines is something that comes up with Gundam competitions all the time..its a very popular thing to do....

Id say if your deepening a panel line I rely don't see that as a modification, sometimes detail in models can get soft after the molds have been around a while.... however scribing new lines I would see as a modification, same as filling lines in...

like I said need an official word, but thats my 2 cents.... ha ha
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: fumblethumbs on March 05, 2014, 05:15:30 pm
Nice work around there Lufty!
Well Done!  :)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 06, 2014, 07:57:46 am
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140306_055252_467_zpsd6c993a7.jpg)

Big brother needed some company while in spacedock getting dry fit I think.  ::)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: dlots1701a on March 06, 2014, 08:55:28 am
don't see a problem there Lufty looking good
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: HDATX on March 06, 2014, 06:17:23 pm
Yea, that is looking real good!  Great start!  I know you mentioned being new at this, but don't get discouraged about anything because it really is just plastic and anything can be fixed... but your plowing forward and looking good!  Way to go!
Jerry
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 07, 2014, 11:34:57 am
The file has been put to work a bit last night, most everything off the sprue is looking great. This little gap here though, is gonna need some TLC!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_092744_117_zps909be238.jpg)

I think I may need to take some material off the upright struts, as it's keeping the seams open at that joint, but it's a trade-off, either widen the gap for the top of the secondary hull where it's tight currently, or fill in this area here by the shuttlebay...decisions, decisions.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_092822_091_zps703071ee.jpg)

I'll mull on it for a day and sand that B class back there... ;D
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: dlots1701a on March 07, 2014, 12:26:30 pm
putty  and sand been there done that recommend perfect plastic putty  take two strips of tape put on eith side of seam lay putty, remove excess with water, sand smooth
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 07, 2014, 01:20:22 pm
putty  and sand been there done that recommend perfect plastic putty  take two strips of tape put on eith side of seam lay putty, remove excess with water, sand smooth

I haven't tried Perfect Plastic, but I've used Tamyia grey, and Mr. Hobby Dissolved Putty (which I like allot, but not for this application). Thanks for the tip on taping off the seam! I had not thought of that!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: dlots1701a on March 07, 2014, 01:25:39 pm
i see what the problem is turn you struts piece 180 and i will believe it will fit better for you if you will notice on the bottom where the struts fit in to the secondary hull the two sides are shaped different bigger toward the front and smaller toward the back that seam will not be so large
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 07, 2014, 02:45:56 pm
i see what the problem is turn you struts piece 180 and i will believe it will fit better for you if you will notice on the bottom where the struts fit in to the secondary hull the two sides are shaped different bigger toward the front and smaller toward the back that seam will not be so large

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_124350_310_zps0c91473f.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 07, 2014, 02:47:12 pm
Man can't believe I missed that! Thanks!  :o
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: dlots1701a on March 07, 2014, 03:14:29 pm
it's ok you are just getting in to big of a rush deep breath calm down you have till May 31st 2014 you will make it
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Tankton on March 07, 2014, 07:40:02 pm
I did the same thing on mine. Almost had it glued before I caught it.
Crap happens.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 07, 2014, 08:40:50 pm
Some more trimming and fitting...this time the impulse engines.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_174329_3901_zpsca5b31e7.jpg)
*NOTE: Make sure to use two hands when using snips to cut parts off the sprue. If you fail to hold onto the part you are cutting, there is a high degree of probability that the part will detatch at near warp speeds, shooting across the void of your work area, only to disappear into a black hole of dirty socks, or some other nook of your local system, and be lost forever! Hold onto that part!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_174456_2471_zps49614d7c.jpg)
*NOTE: Cutting AWAY from your hand/body is a great practive, and is safer then what I am doing in this pic. But with caution, one can cut this way. I still wouldn't recommend it, but for me, I get a little more contril.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_174613_9701_zps186d2197.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_183605_799_zps9886a939.jpg)

Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 07, 2014, 08:43:33 pm
I did the same thing on mine. Almost had it glued before I caught it.
Crap happens.

Right on. Yeah I've been working on the kit mostly really late, like 2-3AM after coursework and studying...must have overlooked it! I wonder, I may have done the same thing on the 1:2500 and that's where the trouble was with that tiny seam. I'll look next time I build a 1701 2500 scale.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: RE202 on March 08, 2014, 09:35:31 pm
[Rob walks in, weraing a look of insulted incredulity]

And this guy was worrying about his build?  JEEEZE!!!!!

[back to reality]

Seriously, Lufty, your build's coming along nicely, and I'm loving the detail you're putting into your build log.  Very good effort so far, and I'm proud to consider you a contemporary among modelers.  :)

R
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: 3rdplacetrekkie on March 08, 2014, 09:43:44 pm
[Rob walks in, weraing a look of insulted incredulity]

And this guy was worrying about his build?  JEEEZE!!!!!

[back to reality]

Seriously, Lufty, your build's coming along nicely, and I'm loving the detail you're putting into your build log.  Very good effort so far, and I'm proud to consider you a contemporary among modelers.  :)

R
Agreed! great Log, great build. I know you will produce a ship to be proud of. Now, onward! Second star to the right, and straight on till morning!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: The Model Dude on March 10, 2014, 11:03:54 am
I wanted to comment real quick, and agree with the last couple of posts about your build log.  As an inexperienced model maker, I really do appreciate the information that you are giving to me here!  Keep up with the details; your build is coming out very nicely!  And keep having fun man.   8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: wolf 359 on March 12, 2014, 10:27:58 am
It looks good and the detail build thread is great!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 14, 2014, 09:40:48 am
I'll be away from the build thread for a while, but hopefully once I get some new airbrush gear, and take care of a family emergency 3000 miles away, and figure out how to keep my educational progress in place, I'll be back.

My daughter was checked into the hospital on Tuesday, and I need to focus on that, and keeping my own sanity. Modeling has helped in the recent past in reducing stress (without the contest pressure mind you) so perhaps I will continue my build in the following weeks leading up to the close. :(

I'll withdraw before  the deadline if I find that circumstances don't work out, or the gear situation isn't possible to get the results I am after, or if I can find some good reference info on the correct way to accurately represent my project for the community.

Thanks for all of your support, it is much appreciated, and I hope that I can return here in the future. ;D

Hail and well met,
Lufty aka Enoch
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: jellis11 on March 14, 2014, 10:11:34 am
Lufty, good luck....my thoughts are with you and your daughter. Hope to see you posting again soon and that all is well.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Tankton on March 14, 2014, 07:49:46 pm
Good wishes Lufty. Family comes first. Take care of you and yours.
We will all still be here when you return.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: fumblethumbs on March 14, 2014, 08:14:54 pm
All the best wishes to you and yours Lufty!

Take care of business brother.

We're just playing around here, sounds like you have bigger fish to fry.

Best. 
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: 3rdplacetrekkie on March 15, 2014, 01:21:27 am
I'll be away from the build thread for a while, but hopefully once I get some new airbrush gear, and take care of a family emergency 3000 miles away, and figure out how to keep my educational progress in place, I'll be back.

My daughter was checked into the hospital on Tuesday, and I need to focus on that, and keeping my own sanity. Modeling has helped in the recent past in reducing stress (without the contest pressure mind you) so perhaps I will continue my build in the following weeks leading up to the close. :(

I'll withdraw before  the deadline if I find that circumstances don't work out, or the gear situation isn't possible to get the results I am after, or if I can find some good reference info on the correct way to accurately represent my project for the community.

Thanks for all of your support, it is much appreciated, and I hope that I can return here in the future. ;D

Hail and well met,
Lufty aka Enoch
In our prayers over here bro. Do what you gotta do! Take care of that family! Live long and prosper!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 27, 2014, 04:52:31 pm
Thanks to those wishing the family well! Much appreciated! Things are back to (our families version) of normal-ish, so on with the build!

I'm making a little progress, but have allot of work to catch up on, but thankfully this kit is smallish, so I have time left! ;)

So I used the recommendations by Boyd and Chris and started taping my seams before the application of putty...man what a great technique. Seems simple, but what a huge difference. Made all the difference in my 1:2500 builds that I have been working on getting my painting/airbrush practice on for this build. Thanks to you guys, I'm learning, and it's paying off.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140327_140933_701_zpsb57c57e7.jpg)

Sanded down the Paramount logo on the lower primary hull, and test fit the hulls primary surfaces. They are ready for primer and paint to begin this weekend.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140327_141002_045_zpsb8ae785f.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140327_140944_123_zps3464a807.jpg)

Secondary hull is finished test fitting best I can, so on to cement and taping seams for putty this weekend as well.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140327_141016_849_zps4bf2dc2f.jpg)

Again, thanks for everyone's support, and well wishes/prayers. Life can deal some shaky hands, but support, wherever it be, even a modeling forum, is much appreciated!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 27, 2014, 09:23:56 pm
Youtube video blog link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjwXl_Vwni8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjwXl_Vwni8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: spacepirate197x on March 27, 2014, 09:45:41 pm
Nice work there.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: billski on March 28, 2014, 01:52:43 am
All the best Lufty to you and your family
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 29, 2014, 12:23:37 pm
Well, it pouring rain today, with not a great outlook for the remainder of the weekend. Not too sure if I should prime in this weather, but I do have a spot to spray indoors. Hmm.

Well, perhaps sanding is in order!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140329_102606_791_zpse00dde19.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 29, 2014, 10:13:46 pm
Rainy day, so wet sanding was in order! Some work on the nacelles is getting done.

Fresh out of the painters tape...mmm taped seams.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140329_193320_526_zpsefd46370.jpg)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140329_193422_673_zps3cd1abfb.jpg)

Time for some wet sanding with 600 grit wet/dry 3M sandpaper.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140329_193903_100_zps7d054c0a.jpg)

Nice and smooth, like a Ferengi's bottom!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140329_195305_671_zps5ff243c5.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: The Model Dude on March 30, 2014, 01:39:49 am
Great to hear things are getting back to normal for you!   :)

Also, nice work on the seams.  The tape trick is something I have been working with as well, with positive results too!  Things are shaping up nicely so keep at it man!   8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: 3rdplacetrekkie on March 30, 2014, 01:29:34 pm
Great to hear things are getting back to normal for you!   :)

Also, nice work on the seams.  The tape trick is something I have been working with as well, with positive results too!  Things are shaping up nicely so keep at it man!   8)
Double dittos on all of the above!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 30, 2014, 02:14:41 pm
Great to hear things are getting back to normal for you!   :)

Also, nice work on the seams.  The tape trick is something I have been working with as well, with positive results too!  Things are shaping up nicely so keep at it man!   8)
Double dittos on all of the above!

Thanks guys! Much appreciated. Was a tough few weeks there, daughter in the hospital, midterms, my own stint at the VA hospital for a day, truck breaking down...sounds like a country song.

 Life can throw us some curveballs from time to time, but that's part of the process. I try to remain as mindful as best I can, and do apologize for being a bit of a freak here on the forums from time to time. However, life has "normalized" its stressor capacity for now, and I am thankful for your thoughts and prayers.  ;)

Now if I can stop heading down the rabbit hole of electronic tools and LEDs and multimeters and power supplies and rotary tool benches that will fit my ancient craftsman (I've given up and have ordered a flex shaft & will come up with a DYI hanger for it) and airbrush compressors and airbrushes (still think I'm going with the Badger Patriot) how I am going to rig up a spray booth and watching spray booth construction videos and reading about how lame the amazon spray booths are even though they would fit the bill nicely and mulling over the K7 kit I want to light with no idea how to approach it and fiddling with my 1:2500 kits and cleaning the house for inlaws coming tonight all the while trying to get homework done...ETC. ETC........

I MIGHT ACTUALLY get some modeling done!

Man, modeling is a pretty deep rabbit hole at times...
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 30, 2014, 05:18:29 pm
Sun is out today in "sunny" San Francisco (go figure) so decided to put a coat of Tamiya fine primer on the Ferengi bottoms...

Turns out Ferengi bottoms are not as smooth as they are rumored to be.  :o

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140330_150831_401_zps92cfa3ed.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/f68b1341-1216-46c9-85f3-a4fa307736ae_zps9cfe46f4.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/a8bd2acf-2c21-46a0-a4e9-a16a6285dc40_zpsc41d5f13.jpg)

Looks like more sanding and filling as there is a pretty obvious seam there. Naturally, it's on the top of the nacelle and not the bottom...right where I don't want it. Same goes for the other nacelle (not pictured, but about the same). Grrr...

The weird thing is, you can't feel the seam...it's almost as if it's a different texture, and not an actual seam of raised or lowered sections of the parts. Perhaps 600# is not fine enough?

It seems...no pun intended, that I've got a long way in "feeling" if seams are indeed smooth or not. I'm tempted to try to remove the primer, as this is going to really complicate matters and add more surface to try to smooth out as I add more putty. Bummer. Chalk it up as another learning experience, and NEVER prime unless I get a better magnifier or something to check the seams!

Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 30, 2014, 05:44:26 pm
Looking at these again in better light, I'm thinking on wet sanding them with more 600# in 48hrs and see what results I get there. That has helped in the past with my 1:2500 kits seams.

I am thinking that the seam process just gets exaggerated as the scale increases, or grows as the kit scale does...longer, multiple sessions of sanding/putty/priming to get the look just right as the seams are much longer and the eye drifts to imperfections easier on a larger scale model.
Title: Got Clamps?
Post by: Lufty on March 30, 2014, 06:50:01 pm
Got clamps?  ;)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140330_164712_878_zps344a3317.jpg)

I really hope the secondary hull support pylons get "better" the kits get bigger...the 1701 2500 and 1:1000 kits seems to have this freaky attachment at the hull, and this 2 piece assembly is gawd awful painful to imagine getting to look like a single formed piece of structure. The 1:2500 Enterprice B has a better system, but the whole ship is different. I do like the looks of the pylons on the 1:350 Refit however.

My attack plan for these is doubling down on some 3M spot putty (which I believe is what Boyd recommends) and taking my time "shaping" them to a single piece, well before primer hits 'em. Should start that tomorrow. Done for the weekend I believe!

Hope everyone had a great weekend, and look forward to the weeks progress by everyone!  ;D

Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: fumblethumbs on March 30, 2014, 08:57:12 pm
Really happy to hear things are shaping up there for you Lufty!!  It's great you are able to pick up the modeling again!  You are so right about the small scale stuff exaggerating the imperfections.  You are bang on with that observation!  It usually takes me at least two rounds of putty and primer to make a seam disappear.  As you say, you think everything is golden till the primer goes over it and boom...ooooo didn't see that before.  ;D  Great to see you back to the model Lufty, It's really coming on nicely!!  :)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 31, 2014, 04:04:08 am
Really happy to hear things are shaping up there for you Lufty!!  It's great you are able to pick up the modeling again!  You are so right about the small scale stuff exaggerating the imperfections.  You are bang on with that observation!  It usually takes me at least two rounds of putty and primer to make a seam disappear.  As you say, you think everything is golden till the primer goes over it and boom...ooooo didn't see that before.  ;D  Great to see you back to the model Lufty, It's really coming on nicely!!  :)

Thanks Fumbles! :D
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on March 31, 2014, 04:10:09 am
OK! So thanks to James's latest post on his 1:350 project, I was inspired on how to tackle the little raised lines on the inner bussard of this kit!

I had wanted to do something special for the bussards, as this is Box Stock, and lighting or mods are out, but I have had some lingering thoughts about how to approach it a little differently then I have seen thus far in my endless quest on this kit. Watching the repop CGI TOS episodes while building, I really wanted to capture the "movement" and look of the spinning bussard action, with some color points as well. I wasn't sure, other then hand painting the raised lines, how to capture the "fans" look. I'm comfortable with my hand paint skills, but not free hand comfortable.

Thanks to James post on how he handled the masking on the deflector of the refit, I think I have a masking solution...all 3mm strips!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140331_020000_428_zps739ac750.jpg)

With Testors Clear Red airbrushed into the interior, and white/yellow touched on the exposed exterior surfaces of the inner bussards, and another trick I'm going to sleeve until later, I think this just might work.  ;)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: wolf 359 on April 01, 2014, 02:24:21 pm
looking good
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: acela2030 on April 02, 2014, 05:35:06 pm
Nice work, she's coming along!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on April 07, 2014, 03:04:27 pm
Some final test fitting. Sanded the secondary hull down at the seams a bit, and filed/sanded the interior fittings and snap-fit pegs and female inserts allowing for a little "wiggle room" in assembly. It is still fairly tight, but I think when clamped and glued I should get minimal seams.

Before:

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140307_092744_117_zps909be238.jpg)

After final test fitting:

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140407_125643_767_zps0a8ba426.jpg)

I have also worked on my 2nd application of putty for the seams on the nacelles. Sanded here, they are looking/feeling much better. I will be hitting them up with some Tamyia grey primer today/tomorrow as the weather report is awesome for SF...it's actually sunny...and I think I've slowly developed into a Morlock living here.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/Random%20model%20stuff/1f0d103d-733c-40a2-b823-3ad44373a690_zpsfc38bc7e.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140407_125726_944_zps4e5e572b.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: 3rdplacetrekkie on April 07, 2014, 03:36:45 pm
Morlock! Lol  :P that just might be your new handle!  ;)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on April 07, 2014, 04:15:24 pm
Here is some detail on getting the test fit together, and minimizing seams prior to glue/putty application.

You will need a jewelers file set, and some #600 grit sandpaper. I got my jewelers files at a local hardware store for under $10 for a set of 10 different files (perhaps more).

Be careful when doing file work AND sanding. Make sure you do not hit areas that don't need file work or sanding, such as the outer hull halves where they connect to form the completed hull. I have found sanding these is OK only AFTER you have each half assembled. If you sand or file before they are together, you may end up with more problems!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140407_135816_579_zpsda594a8b.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140407_135838_499_zps21bd27fc.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140407_135908_643_zpsf32b9e87.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Joe Boss Red Seven on April 14, 2014, 12:19:33 pm
You are doing a fine job.
 :)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Quarky on April 14, 2014, 06:47:37 pm
Good job so far sir... Watching with interest... I love those wee  1\2500's... Soooooo cute  8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: spacepirate197x on April 14, 2014, 08:59:52 pm
Lookin good!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: The Model Dude on April 18, 2014, 01:34:15 pm
Things are coming along really nice with your build, keep up the great work!  Also, I have been enjoying your small video looks into your new airbrush and booth.  Great side projects you have going on with those, so double kudos!  Keep having fun man.   8)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: wolf 359 on April 21, 2014, 01:37:48 pm
It is looking good
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on April 25, 2014, 10:37:30 am
Thanks for the great feedback everyone! Keeping me inspired and excited to get my butt in gear and stop fiddling around with equipment! Well, now that my last midterm exams are over, a month away for Finals, and my airbrush booth configured, I'm ready to begin the the last run! Paint!

Now if it would just stop raining, and these parts would cure up! And yes, there IS a model under all of those clamps!

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140425_082341_752_zps49c8a1cf.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140425_082447_220_zps643abb64.jpg)

The test fitting was a long process on this kit, it was kinda skewed here and there, and getting the nacelle struts on correctly was kinda a pain...really tight fit, and over sanding would have been a disaster. The front secondary hull had a large gap that needed addressing and tight clamping as well, but the main secondary hull seam along the top looks good, as well as the shuttlebay area which I think are the first areas one sees when they look at the model (looking for seams anyhow). We shall see once she comes out of the Iron Maiden.

(insert Steve)
(http://choicegrinds.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/steve-harris_21.jpg)
WOAH IT'S STEVE HARRIS!



Should be painting by this Sunday, unless the rain keeps up...well I got little parts to clean up anyhow. Will post updates as they progress.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: ImWolf on April 25, 2014, 04:38:41 pm
I suggest you wrap some rubber bands all around that assembly to make sure it well clamped!  Looking good....

LOL
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on April 25, 2014, 11:51:04 pm
I suggest you wrap some rubber bands all around that assembly to make sure it well clamped!  Looking good....

LOL

Haha! You know, I WAS thinking about wrapping it as well...too funny!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on April 27, 2014, 06:59:40 am
Pulled the secondary hull from the iron maiden and sanded. I'm glad I took Boyd's advice on test fitting, because the seams are minimal, if at all. Now some minor putty, and priming.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140427_045147_873_zpsd787abba.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140427_045132_939_zps2b47168d.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140427_045122_778_zps9235ab5b.jpg)

Test fitting and sanding of the saucer is complete as well, and now the big decision on whether to paint first, or assemble mask and paint with clear parts in place. To be honest I am really apprehensive about painting first then tackling the ever crucial seam of the saucer halves post paint...I do see the technical benefits of doing do, less masking, or liquid maksing, so I believe I will be taking that advice for the 1st time.

Off to the store this afternoon to grab some Tamiya!
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: jellis11 on April 28, 2014, 08:31:36 am
She is looking great!!! Makes me want to dig one of mine out and get started.....
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: jguard68 on April 29, 2014, 03:10:13 pm
Looking forward to the finished version. I need to pick up this kit. Looks like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: TrekWars on May 01, 2014, 07:45:55 am
Lol got enough clamps that thing isn't going anywhere, when I did my 1:650 enterprise (I was extremely inexperienced and didn't know putty existed) I probably used 5-6 of my sisters hair scrunches or whatever they are
Very nice so far lufty
I'd say my half done 1:650 is a little bit of a "fixer-upper"

Trekwars
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: billski on May 01, 2014, 02:19:59 pm
Good job, its coming along very nicely
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: fumblethumbs on May 03, 2014, 07:26:53 am
Nice Lufty!  You sure did get a tight fit on the seams.   :)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 04, 2014, 04:39:24 am
I am having a hard time deciding on how to tackle 2 of my current hurdles:


Sanding and putty is complete for round 1, but I'm at a loss on how to proceed with the saucer painting and nacelle assembly. The latter has me more worried I think as any reoval could effect structural stability, and pose a real threat to failure when wet sanding the paint comes into play.

Mmmmmrrr...?
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 24, 2014, 02:13:49 am
Well, I've had some major airbrush debacles, and I still can't for the life of me figure out how to get the nacelles glued to the uprights. Can't seem to find any pics or videos about it, as they are supposed to be glued in place before assembly. GOt some advice here, but still, there nothing to glue or hold the parts together.

Totally at a loss on how this is accomplished, as there is noting inside the nacelle to actually "glue" it to the insert of the strut...should have assembled them I assume AFTER attachment to the struts I guess?  :-\

Might have to bow out, as time is running out, and disassembling the glued nacelles is kind of not an option as they are sanded and primed, along with the secondary hull and saucer for paint.

Soo close, but alas, no time left. Uggh.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: billski on May 24, 2014, 03:10:20 am
Lufty dont give up mate when you are so close to the finish. One thought could you add styrene to the top part of the pylon which will fthen act as a block to fit into the hole of the nacelle, enough depth so the the block could sit onto the inisfe of the top part ofthe nacelle? it doesnt have to be styrene i suppose maybe a wooden dowel
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 24, 2014, 02:52:20 pm
Lufty dont give up mate when you are so close to the finish. One thought could you add styrene to the top part of the pylon which will fthen act as a block to fit into the hole of the nacelle, enough depth so the the block could sit onto the inisfe of the top part ofthe nacelle? it doesnt have to be styrene i suppose maybe a wooden dowel

Hmm. That might count as a mod though. That might work however.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: billski on May 24, 2014, 03:19:48 pm
is it not the same as sanding a part?
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 24, 2014, 03:34:18 pm
is it not the same as sanding a part?

Not sure. You have a really good point there, and I could probably cut some spur from the kit to add bracing to that area to have something to glue to. Otherwise, I can't see how anyone glues those pylons to the nacells without assembling them first.

When you look inside, when the parts are together, the pylon part that goes inside the slot in the nacelle rests on a tiny, tiny surface area, perhaps 1mm long by .5mm wide, it's like a little flash or bracing part. No idea how the snap fit works.

I'll step back for a day...I just got finished with crazy finals so I'm still spun out, and haven't had time to get on the project for some weeks due to finals and school schedule.

I just applied my last bit of primer/putty on a couple of minor areas I thought needed it, and am heading out of the city for the weekend at a friends place.

Everything should be dry by the time I get back, and I'll see what I can do with the time remaining. Final sanding, the big glue up the pylon mystery, and then paint. I'll do my best to finish, thanks for the inspiration!   ;)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: billski on May 24, 2014, 03:53:22 pm
looking at the out the box category statement it says that to qualify there should be no use of after matket parts. i dont think that a piece of sprue would count as an after market purchase.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 29, 2014, 05:28:12 pm
Bummer. Somehow the Testors Red got "melty" and melted the plastic in the nacelle cavity. Not sure how that happened!

It moves and has a rubber-like feel to it, and stretches the styerene. I'll post photos, but man it's really weird!

Has anyone seen Testors Red do this before?
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 29, 2014, 05:36:56 pm
I guess I used too much glue, it totally melted the plastic of the nacelle right thru to the exterior! Wow, what a bummer. Came home and the project is ruined :(

Well, I guess folks were right when they said I'd ruin my first few kits. Bummer though, I put allot of time in sanding and prep, priming and filling to get a nice seamless hull and nacelles, and it comes to the glue...again.

My 1st project was the same, the 2500 scale kits have a tough time with glue, and you have to use it really REALLY sparingly I guess.

My error here was squeezing in a ton of glue, thinking it would form a cement layer for the nib/slot of the plyon to lay in, inside the nacelle, since inside there, there are no snap fit parts, or even material to glue the part to, if one assembples the nacelles first.

The glue actually softened the plastic of the pylon tip and the nacelle itself, was soft, rubbery-like feeling to the touch, like a soft play-dough like consistency.

I have a spare kit, and I'll assemble the nacelles WITH the pylons next time.

It's been an experience I guess, depressing, but I'm looking forward to seeing the results of my fellow builders.

I'm out for this one. Perhaps some more experience on my own is necessary before rushing things in the contest with school, and life stuff coming up during the contest. I may be able to salvage the pylon, but its tab/slot has been totally melted off. Perhaps a Saladin class or something would be good for the parts left over, or I can order spares from Round 2 I guess too.

Man I am bummed out.  :'(
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 29, 2014, 06:40:31 pm
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140529_163705_617_zps062449e6.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140529_163710_412_zps7ee8ace4.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o795/lufty262/SFMA-Spring%20Buid%20Entry/IMG_20140529_163728_977_zps615b71d8.jpg)
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 29, 2014, 09:02:26 pm
Looking that these parts, I don't see any way to gule the nacelle to the pylon. It's just a little tab, with nothing to hold it to inside the nacelle...what a totally poor design.

I'd be REALLY interested to know how anyone else has done it. I just don't see how without modifying the kit.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Gadgetron_3000 on May 29, 2014, 10:27:51 pm
Looking that these parts, I don't see any way to gule the nacelle to the pylon. It's just a little tab, with nothing to hold it to inside the nacelle...what a totally poor design.

I'd be REALLY interested to know how anyone else has done it. I just don't see how without modifying the kit.

Sorry to see what happened with your build.   :(  At least you have a spare, though.

It might be easier to first install the the pylon assembly that has the tab into the warp nacelle half that has the slot for it.  This way, you can be sure the tab is aligned correctly before sealing up the nacelle and glueing on the bottom half of the pylon assembly.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lZIXNE3fgls/U4f4_vAFweI/AAAAAAAACUw/16Xqc2u7mlQ/s720/P1110507.jpg)

That's one way to do it, but I know that way makes it more difficult to work around when it comes to puttying and sanding out the seams.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Lufty on May 29, 2014, 11:14:34 pm
Looking that these parts, I don't see any way to gule the nacelle to the pylon. It's just a little tab, with nothing to hold it to inside the nacelle...what a totally poor design.

I'd be REALLY interested to know how anyone else has done it. I just don't see how without modifying the kit.

Sorry to see what happened with your build.   :(  At least you have a spare, though.

It might be easier to first install the the pylon assembly that has the tab into the warp nacelle half that has the slot for it.  This way, you can be sure the tab is aligned correctly before sealing up the nacelle and glueing on the bottom half of the pylon assembly.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lZIXNE3fgls/U4f4_vAFweI/AAAAAAAACUw/16Xqc2u7mlQ/s720/P1110507.jpg)

That's one way to do it, but I know that way makes it more difficult to work around when it comes to puttying and sanding out the seams.

Yeah wow, in your photo the tab lays FLAT on the inside of the nacelle. With it closed up, only the tip would touch, and only on a brace structure on the inside. That worried me, as there would be no way to sand properly with that tiny bit of material holding it on there. I think next time around I'll brace it up unassembled, and assemble them together like you had done.

I wish I had seen this photo before starting.


So much work, not just in priming and sanding and putty, but in getting my airbrush rig, paints, tools, and booth and everything. OH WELL, LIVE AND LEARN.
Title: Re: Polar Lights Round 2 Constitution Class Heavy Cruiser 1:1000 scale (Box Stock)
Post by: Gadgetron_3000 on May 30, 2014, 01:42:40 pm
Just be sure that when you attach the other half of the warp nacelle, take note of the notch part that is supposed to fit above the inserted pylon assembly tab.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZajGgyNY_0w/U4jQWbBkI1I/AAAAAAAACVI/LXkQ8eyu4KM/s720/P1110509.jpg)

I believe that notch will help to keep that tab even flatter.