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Title: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on November 05, 2014, 12:00:51 pm
(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/33_inch_e-requiem.jpg)

Quick review...

This is a project that I've spent a ton of time and effort researching. I started by drawing up an early version of my plans (http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/1701-33inch.php) for this model back in 2007, and followed it up with two study models (here (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/1st_ent_set/index.html) and here (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/2nd_ent_set/index.html)) at two-thirds scale to help refine my plans (and improve my model building abilities). Originally I had wanted to build this model out of the same materials as the original (which was mostly made out of kiln-dried sugar pine), but I don't have any of the equipment or experience to deal in wood, so I'll stick with what I know I can do.

For a bit of history on the original model, you can check out this page I put together (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/timeline.html).

Here are some additional reference images I've collected since I did my original plans back in 2007 (which helped me iron out some issues while building my second two-thirds scale study model)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/1701-new_references-2s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/1701-new_references-2.jpg)

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/1701-new_references-s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/1701-new_references.jpg)

And how the model looked in 1974...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/1701-33_1974.jpg)


Where to start?

I decided that I'd begin with the secondary hull. The series of images below show the steps I've taken to build a master (more of a pre-master).

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_001.jpg)

It started with cutting out pieces of foamcore board and building a base structure. Because this will be the master for both sides, I've included holes and alignment channels for both sides for the nacelle support pylons to slide into. It is easier to build the parts with both holes and fill in the extra later than to build it without any and add them later or build two of these. I'll be doing this exact same thing when I build the inboard nacelle master so I only have to build it once.

Next I put blocks of styrofoam in to the openings and used a hot wire to cut them to the general shapes I needed. And then with them glued into place, I used a template of the secondary hull shape to lay out a surface made of hydrocal. I let that dry/cure and then filled in any gaps that showed up.

That is about where I'm at right now. This isn't all that different from how I made my primary hull for my one-sixth studio scale 11 foot TOS Enterprise, but I figured I'd show how these same steps could also be used to make a little more complex shape... so here is the start of the (pre-)master to the secondary hull of my Phase II Enterprise kit.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/phase_ii/p2_1701-2_001.jpg)

It was made the exact same way, just requiring a different template for the shape and the alignment channels for the nacelle support pylons are at a different angle. And this is them together...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_002.jpg)

And no, this model is not going to become a kit... nor could it's parts be used to convert the Round 2 1/350 TOS Enterprise (which is smaller than this model by more than an inch... 32.4 inches compared to 33.75 inches).

So now I'm waiting a while for the hydrocal to completely dry/cure before I add on a surface that I can work to a smoother finish. When I'm all done, I'll make a mold and cast two parts.

Below are shots of the start of the inboard and outboard nacelle masters, first together and then separate.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_003.jpg)

There isn't a lot of stuff going on with the outboard master. The inboard master has the channel (which I've started) and the attachment points for the nacelle support pylons. So there is going to be a bit of work needed to engineer all that before I get anywhere close to making molds.

A lot of this is going to look like the 11 foot model, but I'll point out where the 33 inch model differs as it becomes easier to see. One thing that is different here is that the inboard channel extends further back (running into the rectangular box features). I think this was a result of the channels originally facing downwards. Datin seemed to have changed the orientation while building this model, and then carried the changes over to the 11 foot model (making adjustments) when they started it a few weeks later.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/datin/jefferies-datin_1964.jpg)

The main reason that I believe this is the case is that had the channel originally been on the inboard side of the nacelle, the nacelle supports would run into them. And I don't think this was the only change as the top of the support pylons need to be fitted to the attachment point, so I believe that they were also swapped at the same time... which is why I think that the inboard vents on the pylons were originally supposed to be pointing outwards (like in many of Jefferies drawings and how he went back to this configuration when designing the Phase II Enterprise).

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/nacelle_support_attachment.jpg)

At any rate, I continued to make some more progress on the nacelles, mainly gluing many of the inboard nacelle parts together. Here is how they stand currently...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_004.jpg)

I cut the openings and started the channels for the nacelle support pylons attachment points. These channels are intended to help align the parts and are the same size as those on the secondary hull master. I cut out a piece of foamcore board that fit into those channels and tested the nacelle masters together with the secondary hull master to see how things are working.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_005.jpg)

The secondary hull master is on it's side, but the main thing I was looking for was the center line of the masters to be parallel to each other... which it looked like it was when I tested it (for both sets of channels).

I've left myself enough maneuvering room to make adjustments with the final parts later on, but I wanted to have the masters (and molds) be as close to a perfect fit as I could (specially given that all this is hand made... but then again, so was the original model).

I haven't documented most of what I've been doing as it is essentially the same things I did on my one-sixth studio scale 11 foot model.

Here are some progress shots...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_006.jpg)

I included a test pull of my Enterprise name plaque (which I kept to try out painting/aging ideas on). There has been some more work on the inner nacelle channel, mostly sculpting the ends.

I started making the forward rings (which are currently just four disks). Building those is pretty straight forward... cut out a disk of thin styrene and a smaller disk of thick styrene, glue them together and fill in the stair step between. It doesn't take much effort and when I put all four together I get what I needed.

Because it took longer to do, I did take a series of images of the rear nacelle cap being constructed. For this I cut three disks... two were annulus, with holes large enough for the rear cap's sphere. I cut the annulus into two parts off center which gave me a total of five structural pieces to help hold the ribbed outer styrene sheet in the form of a cylinder. I later added a few more pieces of styrene to close up some openings and then used Aves apoxie sculpt to fill in the remaining open face... being sure to keep the hole needed for the sphere.

It still needs work, but you can get the idea where it is at.

And again, these are all masters... none of these parts are going to actually be on the final model.


Going forward...

While some of you guys might remember the steps I took to build the primary hull of my second two-thirds scale study model...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_11/1701-33-build_steps.jpg)

for this build I'll be using the process I used on my one-sixth scale 11 foot TOS Enterprise study model. Basically these steps but with a primary hull that is 15 inches in diameter rather than 10 inches...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_11/1701-11-build_steps.jpg)

After all, that primary hull was really a test to see if the process would work before applying it on this model.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on November 25, 2014, 12:16:24 am
I'm not sure if you guys are all that interested in this build, but I thought I'd throw up some progress shots... I've done some work on the nacelles and started on the primary hull masters. The nacelle halves and secondary hull half will be mounted to wood boards before I make the molds (though they aren't mounted just yet).

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_007.jpg)

I'm using 18 inch circular table tops as the bases for the upper and lower primary hull masters. I'll most likely start laying in the hydrocal on those in the next day or two, though I'm expecting to have to do it in a number of steps over the next week to get the primary shapes I need.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Sergio on November 25, 2014, 04:58:28 am
That's a lot of work and it's looking very good already. Keep it up!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: ImWolf on November 25, 2014, 05:54:49 pm
I'm enjoying studying your build technique almost more than the resulting parts.....   and I'm surprised at some of the materials you're using. Styrofoam? Hydrocal?

Isn't Hydrocal like plaster of Paris?

In any case, looks like you're having fun!    :b
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Mr Atoz on November 25, 2014, 08:29:19 pm
 Ahh! Yet another piece of art in progress. 8) These are great threads to follow,especially the master making process. ;) Are you lighting the final product? At any rate, this will be a nice size ship.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on November 27, 2014, 07:28:53 pm
I find this build fascinating.  I'm very interested in the techniques, like your homemade lathe process for the primary hull.  That's pretty much regular Bondo?  I'm curious what other tooling and processes you use.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on December 04, 2014, 07:17:24 pm
Thanks guys!


Isn't Hydrocal like plaster of Paris?
Yes, and you could use that just as well.

In the end, the materials used need only be geometrically accurate enough when I finish with them to make a mold. This model will be made mostly of TC-1630 A/B UltraCast (http://www.bjbenterprises.com/polyurethanes/castable/filled/tc-1630-a-b-1/) and Alumilite White (http://www.alumilite.com/store/p/934-Alumilite-White-Amazing-Casting-Resin.aspx), but for the masters, what ever works to make the shape.

A great tutorial on how I'm making some of these shapes can be found here (https://web.archive.org/web/20100110054949/http://www.cloudster.com/HowToSection/AxialSymmertricShapes.html).


I've made a little progress on the lower primary hull master, but there is still a lot of work to be done.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_008.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on December 13, 2014, 02:56:35 pm
I realized I need to fix a flaw in the pattern piece, and I noticed that one of the boards I was using warped, so I decided to build two lower primary hull masters and see which one turned out the best.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_009.jpg)

The top primary hull master is now at about 95% done in that shot. Right now (since that last photo) both lower primary hull masters are looking very good (though I'm most likely not going to use the one on the warped board).

I've drawn on the underside rings to make sure that they match up with all my research. The best thing is that the NCC-1701 decals that go between the engraved rings and flat edge fit perfectly compared to photos of the original model, so I'm happy with them.

In this set of progress shots I've included the start of the B/C deck structure on the top primary hull master to get a feel for how it is progressing.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_010.jpg)

And this is a test placement of the decals on the masters.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_011.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Magnus Greel on December 13, 2014, 05:06:33 pm
That's an amazing build you're putting together, and it's fasinating to see the differences between the big filming model and the 33" model, you've done a great job with your research, love it, awesome 😊
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on December 22, 2014, 03:52:14 pm
Thanks!

Recently I've been mostly puttying, sanding, primering and then repeating the process... attempting to get the surfaces to the best state I can.

Here is some progress on the primary hull masters (the lower rings have been engraved)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_012.jpg)

I've also started in on the bridge and done some more work on the secondary hull master. I included a shot of the original model for comparison in the series of images below. Both the bridge and the B/C deck structure are riding a little high, they'll sit lower and flush to each other (and later the upper primary hull with the actual parts) as I get closer to finishing them.

The biggest thing is that I pulled my first parts for the model... the nacelle domes.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_013.jpg)

These are the main references I've been using for the domes...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/nacelle_domes.jpg)

But yeah, I'm still plugging away at this.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on December 26, 2014, 08:34:07 am
Work continues...

The bridge and B/C deck structure are now a single piece (the dome in the images below is a stand in for sizing purposes). I've continued work on the rear nacelle end cap assembly and made quite a bit of progress on the front nacelle end cap assembly (now that I have nacelle domes). I've also started in on the lower sensor dome platform, intercooler and deflector masters.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_014.jpg)

I've continued to work on the surface of the upper and lower primary hull masters, the secondary hull master and the nacelle masters, and I'm feel pretty good about their progress. I figure I'm not too far off from making molds from those.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: 3rdplacetrekkie on December 27, 2014, 01:28:32 pm
excellent!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on December 28, 2014, 07:08:20 pm
Thanks!


Here is a test assembly of the rear nacelle parts to see how everything is coming together...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_015.jpg)

Still a work in progress, but at least it sorta looks like what it is supposed to be.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on December 29, 2014, 02:14:23 pm
Here is a series of images of the upper primary hull with the bridge/B/C deck structure sitting in place to see how things are going with these parts...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_016.jpg)

And another series of the lower primary hull with the sensor dome platform (and a stand in dome) in place...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_017.jpg)

For both the upper and lower domes I'll be casting them in clear with a small amount of transparent green. I don't have transparent green dye right now, so I'll have to wait to actually make the final parts.

I think I'm almost ready for making molds of all these masters. There is just a handful of little things to fix/finish and they should be ready to go. Some aspects of the model just can't be done with the masters, so I need the final parts to go forward.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Mr Atoz on December 29, 2014, 02:21:37 pm
 Lovely work!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on January 13, 2015, 10:57:28 pm
Thanks!


Some progress...

Made a mold of the lower primary hull and cast the first part from it (though I'm not sure if this is a final part or just a test)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_018.jpg)

At least I know the mold produced a nice part and is still in great shape.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on January 24, 2015, 03:30:28 am
I finally have molds for both the upper and lower primary hull.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_019.jpg)

Hopefully I'll have parts by the end of this weekend. The nice thing is that I really don't need to get inside for anything, so I can close the primary hull up pretty quickly. The big issue with this would be getting a nice, sharp upper lip edge.

We'll see how things go.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on January 24, 2015, 10:51:32 pm
I now have primary hull parts!

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_020.jpg)

And the best part of this is that these two halves weigh about the same as the first lower primary hull pull I did.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on January 25, 2015, 07:22:06 am
I cleaned up the edges (this is the primary hull top with the first lower half so I could experiment with cutting) to see how things fit together...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_021.jpg)

Still a bit thicker than it should be, but at least it is really starting to feel the part.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: nkaltso on January 25, 2015, 07:57:48 am
Shaw, You are building a work of art with skill I hope to only get close to one day.

Keep up the good work, and the fine craftsmanship

Nick
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on January 26, 2015, 03:06:06 am
Wow, Thanks!



So based on what I learned from the spare lower primary hull, I cut down the main lower primary hull and did a test fit of the top and bottom together...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_022.jpg)

I threw in a shot of the original model from approximately the same angle for comparison. The clamps aren't actually clamping in those images. I had set them to the target thickness I was aiming for for the outer edge. They pretty much freely slide around the rim at this point.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on February 12, 2015, 07:04:09 am
Got the upper and lower halves of the primary hull together, this is my first primer pass to see how my putty work turned out...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_024.jpg)

There is still a bit of refining to do, but I'm pretty happy with the results so far.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on March 18, 2015, 06:16:55 am
Finally got one of the major molds done (major because it has so many parts included on it)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_026.jpg)

... so now I can start in on the secondary hull.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on March 18, 2015, 06:40:10 am
Can you describe your mold bracing method?  A plaster support box makes sense to me with limited undercuts, but does it also work with significant undercuts? 

It goes without saying your work on the kit is amazing.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Tiburon on March 18, 2015, 02:31:01 pm
I'm very impressed with this so far! Amazing work!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 23, 2015, 05:10:18 am
Thanks guys!

Can you describe your mold bracing method?  A plaster support box makes sense to me with limited undercuts, but does it also work with significant undercuts? 
The key thing is that with large parts, even if I used a ton of silicon rubber, the molds won't retain their shape... they tend to sag.

To use as little silicon rubber as possible, I brush it on in a number of layers. Brushing it up over the parts until the rubber starts to set (I usually have about 5 or 6 minutes after I'm done mixing). On the second to last layer, just before it sets too much, I place odd shaped pieces of silicon rubber from old molds that didn't work out. These act as keys for the mother mold (and the shapes are irregular to make sure everything only fits one way). I do a last layer (mostly to lock the key pieces in place) and wait for it to set up completely (two to three hours).

The first plaster layer is a bit thin and is mainly to avoid bubbles. The second layer is a bit thicker, and this is the layer I lay my strips of burlap onto. The next layer is thin again to soak into the burlap. I then let the whole think set for a few days to let as much of the water out as possible.

Lastly, I make a final shell layer using AMACO Sculptamold (cellulose-based paper mache)... great stuff, sets up pretty fast and gets harder over time (I found this out the hard way when I let a part I was making set too long and couldn't make any headway sanding the thing). This is the stuff I actually use inside my secondary hulls to lock everything in place. Over time it becomes rock solid and as the moisture leaves the material it gets lighter. I usually build the feet of the mother mold into this layer if needed.

Yeah, it is a ton of steps, but considering the amount of time I put into building the masters, it is the best way to insure that the molds retain all that work in the parts they produce.


Another small update...

Some shots of the final bridge/B/C deck structure in place (still working on blending the seam)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_027.jpg)

And I started on making the parts for the dorsal... this is a test assembly of them to make sure that they fit to the primary hull's contour.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_028.jpg)

I now have the start of the secondary hull, including the start of the hangar doors (yes, my model will have the hangar doors even though the original model's doors were lost between the second and third seasons of TOS)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_029.jpg)

The goal is to replicate the model at it's most iconic period... when being used for publicity photos with the cast members during the first season. Some time between the second and third seasons the model was dropped and imperfectly repaired (the port side nacelle was re-attached wrong and the outboard intercooler on the starboard nacelle was glued on backwards) along with the hangar doors being lost.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 26, 2015, 06:46:35 pm
Small update...

Did some trimming of the secondary hull halves an test fit them with the start of the hangar door hood. There is still a ways to go, but it is feeling like I'm making progress.

I also finished up the nacelle masters and mounted them to a board. I hit them with a couple coats of Krylon Crystal Clear before starting in on making a mold.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_030.jpg)

I finished up with the silicon rubber part, now just making the mother mold for the nacelles.

I also did the first major cuts into the secondary hull... the rear undercut and the side channels.

This is a good example of why my parts aren't kit friendly. The secondary hull was no where even close to finished when I made the mold, but that was by design so I only had to worry about turning out one side to get both. And I knew what I'd have to do to finish the secondary hull as a whole.

This is after a couple hours of cutting/shaping...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_031.jpg)

The nice thing is that I was totally pounding away at these parts, and they are very strong. They are also very ridgid...which is also quite nice.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 27, 2015, 11:33:29 pm
Did some more work on the dorsal today. The last major internal piece was mounting the locking screw (which corresponds to a metal plate I embedded into the lower primary hull piece back in January). I should be able to make pretty quick progress on the dorsal from here.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_033.jpg)

Once I'm done with the dorsal, I'll build it into the secondary hull, locking it into place.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on April 28, 2015, 06:51:59 am
Is it me, our is the saucer a hair thin?  I hesitate to say anything given all the work you've done and how wonderful it looks but for some reason it just looks thin at some angles compared to the original.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 28, 2015, 08:04:57 am
Well, it is thin compared to the 11 foot model... both my one-sixth scale 11 foot study model and two-thirds scale 33 inch study model are at the same approximate overall scale of 1/500... and the rim of the 33 inch study model is thinner than the 11 foot study model.

Here is a quick comparison with a shot of the original model...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_028a.jpg)

I'd have to get about three times as far away to get them to match up better angle-wise, but they don't look that far off from each other to me.

And no worries, the same thing came up when I published my original plans in 2007, made my first study model in 2009, and the second study model in 2010. I think the reason is that the 33 inch model's primary hull was turned based on the previous plans of the Enterprise rather than the final plans, so when the rim went from a single deck to two decks Jefferies made it slightly thicker. Datin had started on the 33 inch model about four days before Jefferies had finished the final plans and Datin had already farmed out the turning of the main elements to a wood working shop.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on April 28, 2015, 09:03:48 pm
I got what you are saying, thanks.  Funny the two were off, at least off enough to give me the "something ain't right heeby-jeebies".

Where do you get all this background?  Ouija board to Matt Jeffries or something?
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 28, 2015, 11:06:10 pm
I got what you are saying, thanks.  Funny the two were off, at least off enough to give me the "something ain't right heeby-jeebies".
I often see that type of stuff too... working so closely on the details of both models often means I need to take extra care not to mix and match them.  :o

But yeah, that is a great eye for details!

Where do you get all this background?  Ouija board to Matt Jeffries or something?
Just tons of research over the years. Oddly enough, that type of background info wasn't what I was looking for originally. I was trying to gather as much information about the models as I could... but the models were continually changing, so it became necessary to build a timeline of events. Pretty soon those events I was gathering data on started giving me information about the artists involved as much as the models they were making.

You can find an early version of that timeline (from 2010) here (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/timeline.html)... and I've gathered a ton more information since then.

That was how I found out that Roddenberry didn't get the 33 inch Enterprise at the end of TOS (which he wasn't even part of by that point), but when he returned to Paramount and started working towards a new Trek series. And it is how I finally found out that the Enterprise's final mission (that it never returned from) was to Robert Abel and Associates as a reference for TMP. And that the team at Robert Abel and Associates (headed by Richard Taylor) believed that it was a model made for Phase II and considered it worthless. After TMP was finished (Robert Abel and Associates had been replaced during TMP production by Douglas Trumbull's team) Roddenberry called Bob Abel asking for the model back and Abel said they no longer had it.

None of that helps with the details of the model itself, but it is nice to finally know the true fate of the first model of the Enterprise.


Small update...

Finished making the mold for the nacelle body. It'll be a while before I get a chance to actually use them, but so far they look pretty good.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_034.jpg)

I've also been testing fit and alinement of aspects of the secondary hull. With the dorsal set in place, I made some nacelle support pylon stand-ins out of foamcore board. I just needed to mimic the size and shape of the final parts to make sure that the slots they will eventually fit into will produce the correct angles...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_035.jpg)

All the angles look pretty good at this stage. And if there had been nacelles on the pylons, their center lines would have been about 10 inches apart (like they are supposed to be)... so that is a sizable amount of work done early on while engineering the masters that has thankfully paid off.

And I decided I really wanted to see it with the primary hull in place too... so here it is.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_036.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 30, 2015, 08:20:58 am
This is a test assembly with a test pull from the nacelle molds... mainly to see what was involved in making them.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_037.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 01, 2015, 01:05:49 pm
Last night I was experimenting with the nacelle body molds to see if I might like Alumilite White better than the TC 1630, and how little material I can get away with (the first nacelle body was about 8 oz). I made a second test nacelle using about 4 oz of Alumilite, but I like the TC 1630 better for this type of part (though I think I can get it down to around 4 oz of material on the final nacelles).

Even though I didn't want to waste any more time on the Alumilite nacelle, it is a second nacelle... which means I can take some more test assembly shots that can help me judge if I'm going in the right direction with this model (I had made additional changes to my plans after the second study model, so this is really my first chance to see them).

Here is how she looks (some images are flipped, I just wanted to see it from a different direction without handling the model too much)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_038.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 06, 2015, 12:30:38 am
Small update...

Over the last few days I've constructed the nacelle support pylons. They are actually pretty strong (stronger than I thought they'd be), and can support the weight of either test nacelle. Still, I'd like to get the weight of the final nacelle bodies down a bit more because there are a number of pieces which will eventually be added... adding weight to the nacelles. And even though most of them should be pretty light weight, the domes (which were finished a while ago) are solid and do have a bit of weight to them.

I took another series of test assembly shots, this time with a stand-in for the front of the secondary hull and placement of a test printing of the primary hull decals. I've done a little more work on both the secondary hull and dorsal, but nothing that is note worthy in these images...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_039.jpg)

It is still pretty rough, but right now I'm mainly happy that all the major elements at least play nicely with each other.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 07, 2015, 05:51:18 pm
I made another nacelle and tested it against the first nacelle I made... it weighed in at about 90% the weight of the first one, which isn't the significant reduction I was hoping for. Considering that there are a number of additional parts that are going to be added to the nacelles (and assuming that they are all the same weight for each nacelle), we are really looking at something closer to a 5% difference between the first and second tries using TC-1630.

Given that, I'll use that first test pull as one of my nacelle bodies as there isn't a good reason to waste more material if I'm not going to make a significant improvement over what I already have. And now that I know that these are the final parts, I'll start in on bringing them together to make the nacelles.

I took a few more shots of the model with the new nacelle body, I'll be pulling it apart to start doing some more significant work on the secondary hull and dorsal next. In these images I've included the Viewmaster shots of the original model (which I believe predates the accident that damaged the model).

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_041.jpg)

There has been a number of people who have asked about how I'm building these parts. I'm finding that a lot of people are assuming that because these are open faced molds that I just fill them to the rim with resin and end up with solid parts. I avoid making solid parts if at all possible, usually only small parts are cast solid.

So for this model, the primary hull, bridge/B/C deck structure, secondary hull and both nacelles are all hollow. Below is a shot of what the inside of one of the nacelles looks like...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_040.jpg)

Here is a quick run down of the technique I use...

In the case of the TC-1630, I get about a 10 minute window of work time, so I spread a thin layer over the surface of the mold... making sure to brush it up towards the edges and the higher points. Pretty soon it starts to thicken, and when it stops easily flowing, I let it sit for a couple minutes. I then press in pre-cut sheets of fiberglass cloth, making sure it conforms to the interior contours (it has some give, and you can pre trim it to lay pretty flat against the mold's surface). I then mix up a second batch of TC-1630 and brush it over the fiberglass... making sure it gets absorbed into the material before it starts to set up. Once I get a good covering, I start brushing it up towards the edges like before.

The parts can be removed from the mold pretty quickly... though I usually give it a few hours. After six to eight hours it is pretty hard, after 24 hours it is rock solid (pretty much no-give)... which is why it works so nicely for these larger parts while letting the parts stay pretty thin.

The irregular surface on the interior of the nacelle is from the brushing up process. Irregular surfaces are actually stronger (more rigid) than smooth ones, so it acts sorta like a structural re-enforcement.

The TC-1630 actually cuts nicely too... this is why I wasn't too worried about leaving off key details on the secondary hull master so I could get away with a single master and mold to make both sides. Knowing what I was going to be working with ahead of time is why I knew I only needed one secondary hull half, one outboard nacelle body half and one inboard nacelle body half to build the secondary hull and nacelles.

I figured I'd share this with you guys anyways in case anyone was curious.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on May 09, 2015, 09:18:38 am
Ok, this is old school layup work.  Do you keep the fiberglass clear of mating edges, or just trim it?  I always found trimming it to be a chore and a half...
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 10, 2015, 08:09:44 am
I do let the fiberglass go up past the edges of the mold... but the molds aren't the correct size anyways, so trimming is actually part of the design. I made all the masters with a margin of error edge, so they need to be cut down to be the right size to bring them together. Almost none of my parts are design to just fit together, I build them to be adjusted later when I'm bringing them together.

This is why nothing I build is designed to be kit friendly, none of it actually fits together from the molds... nor was any of it intended to. I really couldn't imagine handing off any of the parts I make to someone else and expecting them to build a model from them... they are just way too far from being finished parts at the time I make molds compared to how kit parts are made.

To deal with the fiberglass that isn't encased in the material, I go over the loose edges with CA to keep it from becoming more of a mess when trimming.

More progress...

I finally cast the rear end caps and have been slowly working on the dorsal and nacelle support pylons.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_042.jpg)

Once I have the front nacelle parts made I'll actually start in on assembling the nacelle bodies themselves and cleaning up the imperfections. Here again I had built in a margin for error into the nacelle body design so that I could fit the ends to the more detailed nacelle parts... so there isn't much I can do to the nacelle bodies until I have those parts ready to go.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 14, 2015, 04:11:35 am
I've been working on a number of different parts of the model recently, mostly the deflector assembly, casting parts for the nacelles and making sure I'm happy with the dorsal and nacelle support pylons. I've also been working on the decals, so I've placed test printings of different decals on the model to compare what I have against photos of the original model.

I did a quick test assembly to compare some of the decal elements. Oddly, while the original builders of the model took the "U.S.S. ENTERPRISE" straight off the decal sheet, the smaller "NCC-1701" decals have had their spacing adjusted when they were applied to the original model.

I realized after taking these shots of the deflector assembly parts that I had used the templates based on my original (2007) plans and not the updated ones... so the second of the three inner rings is too wide.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_043.jpg)

This is another couple shots of the deflector assembly with the start of a new second ring and the deflector dish master in place.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_044.jpg)

With a few more of the nacelle parts cast, I took another series of shots of the model assembled to see how things are coming together.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_045.jpg)

One of the things I noticed about the secondary hull pennant on the original model is that the rear slopes downward (on both sides) compared to the center line of the secondary hull and the windows. I'll have to figure out how to replicate that without taking it too far as to be noticeable (which on the original it is hard to spot).
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on May 14, 2015, 07:11:22 am
How are you mastering the body of revolution parts like the deflector dish? 

And, the nacelle end caps.  The ball part on the 11 footer seemed to protrude in such a way that the recurve back in was perceptible.  Was the 33" done differently?
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 14, 2015, 09:09:58 am
How are you mastering the body of revolution parts like the deflector dish? 
It was hand sculpted using Aves Apoxie Sculpt... basically a lot of work over a long time. Other attempts using other methods didn't turn out as nice.

The sad thing is that I have to do essentially the same thing all over again for my one-sixth scale 11 foot model... which still needs an accurate dish.  :(

And, the nacelle end caps.  The ball part on the 11 footer seemed to protrude in such a way that the recurve back in was perceptible.  Was the 33" done differently?
The end caps are different between the two models... almost everything is different, which is why there wouldn't ever be an easy way to convert a 1/350 Enterprise into an accurate replica (at 96% the size) of the original studio model.

This is some of the progress I had made on some parts for my one-sixth studio scale model of the 11 foot Enterprise...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_11/1701-11-043.jpg)

Those parts were built based on my plans of the 11 foot model based on my research and reverse engineering from my reference photo collection (so no one else's work was referenced for those plans). All of those contours were arrived at using the same techniques I've used to make my plans of the 33 inch Enterprise (only I have to work with a smaller collection of reference photos for the 33 inch model compared to the 11 foot model).

Originally both models were built in less than a month, so while they have a lot of elements in common... nearly all of them have subtle differences. When the 11 foot model was finished being modified for the series, the 33 inch model was modified to reflect similar changes, but even those weren't exactly the same.

This is also why it is best for me not to work on both the 33 inch and 11 foot models at the same time... it doesn't take much to accidentally apply details from one model to the other when doing my research.

Of course, the primary reason for translating my 11 foot plans into a model is because the same research techniques were used on those plans as on my 33 inch Enterprise plans, and if that model is an accurate representation of the 11 foot Enterprise (which most people are familiar with) then maybe they'll realize just how accurate my 33 inch Enterprise model is (even if they aren't as familiar with that version).
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on May 14, 2015, 01:43:18 pm
I though the ball droop (that does not sound right) was indeed different.

You lost me a bit there...the PL 1/350 is based on the 11 footer, right?  You want to build a 22" version of the 11' miniature?  To help show your 33" 1:1 model is accurate?  And how many spare bedrooms do you have dedicated to this fleet?!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: karve on May 16, 2015, 05:31:49 am
I think it's looking really good! What a massive undertaking. I wouldn't have the patience (and certainly not the talent) to tackle something like this. My hat's off to ya  ;)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 16, 2015, 05:53:12 am
I think it's looking really good! What a massive undertaking. I wouldn't have the patience (and certainly not the talent) to tackle something like this. My hat's off to ya  ;)
Wow, Thanks!

You lost me a bit there...the PL 1/350 is based on the 11 footer, right?  You want to build a 22" version of the 11' miniature?
Yeah. The main reason for the scale (which is about 1/500) is that it isn't close to either 1/1000 or 1/350, so it can't be mistaken as a kit build of either of those models. Also, building either of those (even if I make changes) would still be building a Gary Kerr Enterprise rather than a David Shaw Enterprise. The only thing I've gotten directly from Kerr is a handful of measurements (I trust his ability to take and record measurements), but everything else is based on my analysis of the model from my image collection (which also includes shots of parts laid out next to rules for additional reference measurements). Plus I've been mainly focusing on the 11 foot model as a model rather than the idealized/fictional starship.

Of course part of the reason for my study of models as models (and sets as sets and props as props) is to make sure I stay safely in the range of the fair use part of US copyright laws (this is academic research, and avoiding the fictional universe which CBS controls). It is also why I use a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/) license on my drawings.

To help show your 33" 1:1 model is accurate?
Well, yeah. And not just for the 33 inch model, but also for my Phase II Enterprise as well.

For example, I know that Randy Cooper is a great model builder. The quality of both his models and kits is outstanding... all of which can be seen by visual inspection. But what about accuracy? I don't know many of his modeling subjects well enough to tell if he has made accurate models... except the Galileo. I know the Galileo and I know that his model is not accurate (it is quite stylized) compared to either the studio model or large scale mockup. So now I wonder if the same is true of his other models.

So even if my 33 inch Enterprise or Phase II Enterprise look nice, there aren't enough people truly familiar with either to say how accurate they are. But if (using all the same techniques) I scratch build an accurate model based on the 11 foot Enterprise (which a lot of people are familiar with), then it would be easier to assume that those other subjects are also accurate representations.

And how many spare bedrooms do you have dedicated to this fleet?!
Aw... the space issue. I have a deal with my wife that I put up for sale a model as I finish one. I put the Phase II Enterprise up for sale (though I'm not in a big hurry to sell it) and just put the Galileo up for sale. I'm putting serious thought into retrofitting my second two-thirds scale study model of the 33 inch Enterprise with better details and putting that one up for sale (as I don't need multiple versions of the same subject) when I finish this one-to-one scale version.

Over the last 8 years I've made 7 models, so I'm not very prolific. The down side of that is that it also means I don't get much practice either.


Small update...

A few more test assembly shots... this time with both nacelle dome assemblies in place and deflector assembly (with most of the parts) attached. The first set is slightly higher resolution (but missing the deflector assembly)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_046s.jpg)
Click to Enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_046.jpg)

The next set is at my normal resolution...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_047.jpg)

One of the things I noticed is that the nacelles seem better balanced with the dome assembly elements in place.

The next big step will be bringing the secondary hull together (rather than have the pieces taped together as they are right now). What I'll need to do to start that is build an alignment box much like the one I built for the Phase II Enterprise...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/phase_ii/p2_1701_080s.jpg)

This will help me make sure that the nacelles align with the primary hull, which is done via the secondary hull. The nacelles only need to be partly assembled and the primary hull is mostly assembled for these parts to correctly align the dorsal and nacelle support pylons in the secondary hull as I bring it together.

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MarkW on May 16, 2015, 10:03:34 pm
Thanks again for the detailed discussion.  So, this begs the question: which version of the Enterprise to you represents the Enterprise Starship?  Which one has Kirk, Spock and McCoy in your mind?  Considering how many versions were on TV, between 3 main versions, the AMT kit and the 33", there's a bunch to choose from.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Armandodlc on May 17, 2015, 02:22:25 am
Hmmm...that alignment box is a great idea.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 17, 2015, 09:07:45 am
Hmmm...that alignment box is a great idea.
Thanks!

Yeah, the other nice thing is that it doubles as a means for transporting the model later on (which is why the box is larger than it would need to be just to align the parts).



Thanks again for the detailed discussion.  So, this begs the question: which version of the Enterprise to you represents the Enterprise Starship?  Which one has Kirk, Spock and McCoy in your mind?  Considering how many versions were on TV, between 3 main versions, the AMT kit and the 33", there's a bunch to choose from.
Definitely the 11 foot model. Specially considering that much of how Jefferies saw the Enterprise in his mind works best when applied to that model.

For example, Jefferies had call outs for many of the interior features of the Enterprise, which actually work really nicely when applied to the 11 foot model's contours...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/internals_046bs.jpg)
Click to Enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/internals_046b.jpg)

And when I did my interior plans of the Enterprise (using the original set plans as a reference) one of the things I did was partition the hull using Jefferies hull pressure compartments diagram. In fact, using this idea I had the Enterprise assembled from prefabricated compartments much like how recent aircraft carriers have been built...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/bush_assembly.jpg)
Bush assembly
Click for Ford assembly (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/ford_assembly_steps.gif)

So in a similar fashion, this image sorta shows a cutaway view of how the primary hull's compartments come together...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/preshull-diagram.jpg)

With the keel equivalent being the Deck 7/8 core (ring 0) compartment (which includes things like auxiliary control on deck 8 and the main energizers on deck 7). For a starship, the placing of that compartment in space dock and activating it's systems is when the ship would be assigned it's first commanding officer who would supervise the rest of the assembly of the ship around that compartment.

I even had the start of the turbolift network (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/internals_024.jpg), this being how it might look inside the ship...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/jefferies/internals_025.jpg)

But yeah, pretty much all of that is based on the 11 foot model's contours. And on screen (in effects) I prefer the 11 foot model. But as a display piece, I've wanted the 33 inch Enterprise since seeing it in Requiem for Methuselah. As far back as the 80's and 90's I was making Enterprise models that were pretty close to the look of the 11 foot model... but sitting on a table or shelf, for some reason they just didn't feel right. Back then I wasn't aware of the degree of differences there were between the two models, but now I know why my models felt off compared to what I was actually aiming for.




Speaking of what I was aiming for, for some reason the nacelle end caps felt off. And after you asked about them I started looking more closely at image comparisons between mine and the original, couldn't figure out why they weren't matching up correctly.

So I took the last couple days to walk through the steps I had used to make the original master and spotted a mistake I had made... I inverted the curve. That is to say, if you applied the curve to a cylinder and cut along it, you'd end up with a part that was correctly shaped and one that wasn't... when making my template for cutting the parts, I arranged it to use the wrong side of the curve.

I started making a new nacelle end cap master last night and I'm about half way done. I should be able to pour a new mold by tomorrow and make up two new parts that are the correct shape.

This is part of the reason for some of the shots I take of the model seeming like they are being repeated, they are because they're angles that match some of my reference images and it lets me do comparisons.

I'm lucky you asked about it because it would have been worse to spot the differences further along in the build (where I might have had to remove them from the model to replace them).

Thanks!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 19, 2015, 05:58:41 am
Here is my progress on that new master...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_048.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on May 26, 2015, 07:56:18 pm
I figured I'd start giving the model a chance to stand on it's own. These are some shots of the nacelles, support pylons and secondary hull, just slot fitted together...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_049.jpg)

Considering the fact that I left some play in the attachment points to adjust the alignment later on, these parts are holding their positions quite nicely. And there doesn't seem to be any issues holding the weight, so that is one less thing to worry about.

I did a bit more work on the secondary hull, mainly making sure that the two sides aligned correctly and then that they were together securely enough to support the model's weight (because everything branches out from this one part). I also finally got around to making a new mold for the rear nacelle end caps and made the new parts.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_050.jpg)

Most of my efforts have been in making sure that everything fits together correctly and looks like it should. The next major effort will be bringing the nacelle body halves together.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on June 02, 2015, 01:33:14 am
Worked a bit more on casting the intercoolers and the lower sensor dome platform, and still working on the overall arrangement of the parts (before I lock myself into that arrangement with the alignment box)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_051.jpg)


I did a bit more work on the secondary hull...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_052.jpg)

Sometimes I forget just how far away from being finished I am while taking these shots. :(

When I think about everything that is needed to finish it can get a bit overwhelming. I just keep reminding myself that this will be the first time since 1978 that this version of the Enterprise has existed and the first time a studio scale replica of the original Enterprise has ever been made.

Hopefully I won't screw it up.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on June 03, 2016, 06:05:06 pm
This is a series of test assembly shots with some minor progress. We'll start it out with a size comparison to my build of Round 2's 18" Enterprise kit.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_055.jpg)

A handful of shots... making sure the model can support it's own weight.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_061s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_061.jpg)

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_062s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_062.jpg)

These shots are mainly a test of the mounting system (these are vintage 1960's parts) to make sure that they can hold the weight...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_063s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_063.jpg)

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_064s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_064.jpg)

Like on my Phase II Enterprise, I designed the nacelle support pylons with rough attachment areas on either end. The idea is that this gives me room to make adjustments in alignment as I bring the model together during final assembly. That is the reason the nacelles aren't perfectly aligned in any of these shots, there is still a lot of room for adjustments at this stage.

Scratch building a model this size is a slow process, but the main reason it is taking so long is that I've had a number of other projects that needed attention first.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 05, 2016, 03:15:42 pm
I'm glad to see you are back at it, Shaw! As you may know, I am a fan of your exacting research and have benefitted from your work! Thanks!

Your comparison of your build to the reference photos is nearly a match! Well done!

Just in case i missed it, are you making a Master for molding a kit? Or is this for you?

Either way, awesome job so far! Would love to see the final build!!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: scottminium on June 05, 2016, 04:20:57 pm
Wow, that's some serious badassery there.  Love your work!
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on November 17, 2018, 11:49:03 am
Just an update... yes, this model still exists... no, it isn't finished yet.

Here is a shot of the model as it stands currently (and how it has looked for the last couple years)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_067s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_067.jpg)

The model is not glued together, it is just sitting assembled. This is how it looks pulled apart...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_068s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_068.jpg)

I don't know when I can get back to working on it or models in general, but it is one that has survived (at least the final parts). The molds didn't make kit-friendly parts, they were mainly for changing the medium of the model (or making a number of similar parts). I don't know which masters and molds I still have at this point, the main thing was that I still have all the parts needed for the final model still.

Hopefully some day it'll stand completed.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: starsiegeplayer on November 17, 2018, 12:35:25 pm
I would love to see this completed.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on November 28, 2018, 07:37:45 am
I would love to see this completed.

#Metoo

Steve
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on March 03, 2019, 06:05:45 pm
So I have made a little progress over the past few months. I first started in on the final painting of the model...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_069s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_069.jpg)

... and then worked on some detailing...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_070s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_070.jpg)

Before starting back in on this, my wife asked me to start on something a bit smaller, so I scratch built a couple of Phaser I props...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/phaser_i/phaser-i_003.jpg)

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/phaser_i/phaser-i_004.jpg)

That was mainly for painting practice. For decal (and additional painting) practice I put together this shuttlecraft made from spare parts/decals left over after my Galileo/Columbus study models (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/site_demo/gal-col/gal-col-gallery/index.html)...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/galileo/galileo_3_001s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/galileo/galileo_3_001.jpg)

Anyways, I know these images aren't a massive change from when the model was just covered in primer, but it was a series of big steps for me.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 04, 2019, 08:06:19 am
Hey, Shaw!

Thanks for posting! I always enjoy seeing your work!

Love the Type 1 phasers! Well done!

Just a quick question on the Enterprise - and, knowing your predilection and near obsession with detail - did the model always have the round "balls" at the aft end of the engines? Or are you modeling your's after the "refit" as it appeared in TOS "Requiem for Methuselah"?

Just curious. Your work, as always, looks fabulous!

Keep going!

Steve
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on March 05, 2019, 04:50:18 pm
Yes, the goal is to generally replicate the model as it was in early December 1968 (when it was filmed for Requiem for Methuselah).

The model as originally built in December 1964 had the rectangular feature on the rear of the nacelles. When the 11 foot model received the final upgrades to the series configuration between April and May of 1966, the 33 inch model was altered to broadly match those changes at the same time. Datin said that the last time he worked on the model was in December of 1966 when he made a stand for it.

That was when it was in it's best state and was photographed with Shatner and Nimoy. The model went before the cameras again for Tomorrow is Yesterday, but other than that, the effects footage seen in the series was of the pre-upgraded version in stock footage shot during The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before.

The next nice series of photos of the model came from mid December 1967. View-Master had photographers on the sets to take pictures for their The Omega Glory reel (using their stereo cameras) and took shots of the 33 inch model and an 18 inch AMT model.

Some time between that shoot and the filming of Requiem for Methuselah there was an accident damaging the model. The port nacelle was either knocked off or severely dislodged, the intercooler loops were knocked off and the shuttle bay doors were lost. Repairs were made (with one of the intercooler loops glued back on backwards), though the doors remained missing for the rest of her life.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/hangar_reference.jpg)

By the time she was residing on Roddenberry's desk, a few of the intercooler loops had also been lost, but that isn't the state I'm trying to replicate.

So yes, some of that damage is visible on my model in those series of images. Here is a side-by-side of my model with a publicity shot from around the third season...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_070e.jpg)

On a side note, the only part of the model not scratch built is the chrome microphone quick-release and the gooseneck support... which are both vintage mid 1960's parts just like what Datin used on the original model in December of 1966 to make the display stand.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/1701-II/original_stand.jpg)

I won't be using the stand much for the model. The model is way too heavy and unstable in that configuration... which I beleave was why the original model had so many accidents. The model is many times the weight of Round 2's 1/350 kit, which seems fine on it's small dome base.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: TD1701 on March 10, 2019, 10:11:42 am
David, I love watching your builds and reading all of the research that you provide to us about the background of these models. Keep up the awesome work.

Tom
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 01, 2019, 01:20:57 pm
Thanks!

My wife let me do a little work on the model, so here is a quick progress shot...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_072s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_072.jpg)
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: TD1701 on April 03, 2019, 12:56:08 pm
Looks fantastic David keep it up!!! ;D

Tom
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: Shaw on April 04, 2019, 05:08:35 pm
Thanks!

Here is a quick progress shot...

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_073s.jpg)
Click to enlarge (http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/trek_stuff/models/tos_33/1701_33in_073.jpg)

I'm about done with my first sheet of decals. I only printed the first so if I had any issues I could add those replacement graphics to the second sheet when I print it later on. So far no issues have popped up.
Title: Re: 33 inch TOS Enterprise - Studio Scale Replica
Post by: starsiegeplayer on April 06, 2019, 01:17:42 am
Looking very nice so far.