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Title: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on November 08, 2017, 08:08:31 pm
Hello everyone.  My in between SCIFI builds project is the Apollo Saturn V.  Not a tremendous amount of detail, but the kit has a lot of cool challenges as you try to assemble it in a way that lets you disassemble it for show.  So far overall fit is pretty good, although the large sections do require some putty and sanding.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: karve on November 10, 2017, 05:17:41 pm
Looking good Scott!
  I'm looking forward to seeing this one. I loved the Saturn V rockets!
  How tall will it be when done?
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: starsiegeplayer on November 12, 2017, 12:57:58 am
What is the manufacturer of this kit and what is the scale, please?
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: LynnInDenver on November 12, 2017, 09:06:56 am
What is the manufacturer of this kit and what is the scale, please?

That looks to me like it's the 1/144 scale kit from Revell. I assembled one recently and have it in the queue for paint.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on November 14, 2017, 08:09:05 am
Scott!

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/97f1d15268dbdfedcbea6873c73560ad/tumblr_nio7t5P9wl1qzco77o1_500.gif)

I was wondering what you were up to!

Looking good!

Steve
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on November 18, 2017, 04:45:20 pm
@Steve and Lynn, thanks for watching, and you are correct on the kit and scale.

Well, been up to lots of modeling and painting, but have also been on travel the past week...and going to the relatives next week.

Not shown is the lower portion of the LEM, which is undergoing stages of gold painting.

My question for the group is how to paint the lower portion of the first stage shrouds.  Trying to paint a straight line across the rounded portion.



Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: LynnInDenver on November 18, 2017, 05:18:19 pm
@Steve and Lynn, thanks for watching, and you are correct on the kit and scale.

Well, been up to lots of modeling and painting, but have also been on travel the past week...and going to the relatives next week.

Not shown is the lower portion of the LEM, which is undergoing stages of gold painting.

My question for the group is how to paint the lower portion of the first stage shrouds.  Trying to paint a straight line across the rounded portion.

I remember an article from Fine Scale Modeler (I used to subscribe), someone tackled the same kit, and their masking solution was clear tape, with liquid mask applied to the edge, then cut to make the hard line. The liquid mask filled in underneath the tape to complete the mask over the ribbing.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 02, 2017, 06:15:18 pm
Thanks for the ideas Lynn, they got me thinking...

I'm going to build a flat stand for a mechanical pencil and use it to mark the line straight across.  Then I'll use masking fluid and freehand the sraight lines before masking the rest.  If it works, that'll be the method I use on the conical shroud part that joins the third stage to the second.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 03, 2017, 06:54:34 pm
A little bit of cleanup required, but the masking method worked well enough.  Next up is finishing the first stage while painting the command and service modules.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: starsiegeplayer on December 04, 2017, 12:10:25 am
Masking job looks good to me  ;D
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 12, 2017, 06:53:28 pm
apologies for the absence.  Been doing some work, and now the payload section is complete.  Third stage is just waiting to remove the masking tape, first stage needs sealing, then masking for the black sections, and the second stage is just sitting there taunting me.  Neat how you need a wide shot to capture all the parts.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 13, 2017, 07:39:02 am
Looking good, Scott!

I've been wondering where you have been. Hope all is well!

So you build by the fireplace?! Nice of the other people in the house (assumption here) to let you do that!

I like what you are doing. The paint scheme seems deceptively simple until you actually try and mask it out. You're doing great do far.

Keep going!

"Failure is not an option" Gene Kranz

Steve

Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 14, 2017, 07:56:01 pm
Well, it's a gas fireplace and fortunately it has not been needed thus far this winter.  The house is pathetically low on storage space, so things are everywhere.  Unlike most of you fortunate ones, I have just my one tiny desk to serve as my modeling space...though I suppose I could take over more.   ;)

In the first shot I masked the lower portion of the first stage where the smooth part hits the ribbed part.  Two strips of tape were laid down.  One under the ribbed part and one on top of it.  Then, masking fluid was painted over both.  Once dry, the lower tape (the smooth part) was peeled away downward, leaving a clean edge.  The top part was sealed, and paper used to mask above.

As the black and white sections on the lower part of the first stage (the engine bell housings) were sharp, a curved piece of thin metal (actually a scribing template with clean right angles) was used along with a piece of masking tape to measure from the center out.  Then the same thing could be repeated for the parts above, resulting in 'nearly' vertical segments.

In the second pic, the third stage, payload section and first stage are painting complete, though a little cleanup remains.  The second stage will require more complex masking, as will the conical section mating the third stage to the second.  The conical piece looks to be the most challenging.

(Oh, and ignore the water bottles...they are lying down because there is a new kitten in the house, but the bottles are there as I try to nurse a number of plants through the winter.)
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: Decoman on December 15, 2017, 12:59:54 am
Would there be an opportunity for adding details onto the rocket?

This is a kit I've wanted, but heh, I don't have vertical space for it in my display cases, so I've been putting this off for now. :)
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 15, 2017, 07:31:01 am
Looking Good, Scott!

IMHO, your masking is looking very precise! Keep it up!

This is a kit I've wanted, but heh, I don't have vertical space for it in my display cases, so I've been putting this off for now. :)

Just a thought, Decoman, but what about horizontal space? The Saturn V rocket in Houston at the Johnson Space Center is displayed horizontally.

Keep going Scott! This is a nice build!

BTW, is this gonna be part of a diorama or a stand alone? Are you gonna scratch a launch umbilical tower? THAT would be alot of work but SO TOTALLY Awesome!!

Over the top Steve!
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: Decoman on December 15, 2017, 03:00:51 pm
Just a thought, Decoman, but what about horizontal space? The Saturn V rocket in Houston at the Johnson Space Center is displayed horizontally.

Aah interesting idea! :)
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 15, 2017, 07:32:54 pm
As for adding detail, it is certainly possible, but the scale of the kit will limit you.  For example, the thrusters on the service module are very tiny and molded in place.  To detail these you would need to sand them off and find something to replace them.  Overall the fit is pretty good, but there are exceptions, and while I am interested in having a nice build, I have my limits on filling and sanding the payload doors to smoothly seal in the LEM. 

Incidentally, my plan is to take pics of the assembled beast, but it will be displayed horizontally, were it is much less likely to be killed by my cats.  ;)

Tonight and tomorrow I am masking the conical joint and the second stage portions.  Then onto final painting!
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 23, 2017, 04:06:35 pm
OK, so been a bit slower than I hoped.  Here is a shot of the first and second stages, base painting done, some detail and a LOT of touchup remaining.  For the interstage (1->2) and conical section I once again experimented until I found a stable platform for a pencil, then I held that steady while tracing a level line.  After that, the 6mm Tamiya tape (it's what was available) was used to mask as you can press it into place nicely with a fingernail. 

Some detailing remaining on the payload section, along with touchup, clear coating, and decals.  Overall coming together pretty nicely.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: Decoman on December 23, 2017, 11:59:08 pm
I wonder if the fins could be sanded more sharp with this kit (Airfix kit?).

Usually, molded plastic propellers for scale model ships have stubby edges and sanding them sharp is an easy and fun thing to do. :)
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 25, 2017, 02:40:43 pm
Cleanup, touch up and decals complete!  Now to let everything dry before sealing up.  The decals are pretty nice, though the decal and painting instructions for the kit do not always match photos.  Nice bit of research to find enough photos.  Even then, I did include decals on the command module, which was not true until Skylab.  Pretty fun kit, though there are things I would do differently should I ever build one again.

Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: Decoman on December 26, 2017, 08:08:19 am
What things would you have done differently as you say?

I have this type of kit on my wish list myself.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 26, 2017, 05:44:12 pm
@Decoman, in no particular order:
-figure out a way to mask over ribbed sections.  I think I figured it out in the end with really thin masking tape, but it's tough.
-Lots of little rockets are glued onto the second stage 'adapter', leave those off until painting complete.
-not sure my choice of color on the interiors was good.  The various tanks were all zinc chromate, but what about the inside of the cylinders?
-don't assume big plastic pieces sticking up from the base are left over sprue :(
-if you can insert tank pieces after assembly of the cylinders (not all are possible) do it.  they get less in the way of painting.

While not all the fit was as good as I would like, overall this was a marginally challenging kit and an enjoyable build.  There isn't much detail on the main engines, and not much at all on the second stage, but the fact you can disassemble the whole thing for show and tell is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 26, 2017, 06:08:30 pm
And two pics of the final beastie, one with the escape system, one without.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: Decoman on December 27, 2017, 04:27:03 am
The "technical" black and white painting scheme is very charming imo. I guess the odd black markings are for better seeing how this large rocket (or missile?) rotates after lift off.

Being into working with styrene, I wonder how difficult it would be to replace the molded plastic for the supporting construction for the crew ejection rocket on the very top.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: starsiegeplayer on December 27, 2017, 11:45:16 am
Beauty build!
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 27, 2017, 05:52:58 pm
Thanks Decoman and Starsiege!

As for the black and white scheme, it was used to monitor for roll during flight.  This was something German rocket designers had done before, and they brought the technique to NASA.  Incidentally, the paint scheme was identical for all the Apollo flights.  The paint scheme shown on this box and in the instructions was for a test version than never flew.

Again, what is neat and challenging about this kit is the fact you can assemble and disassemble it for show, everything fits together although there are two parts that do not 'lock' and just fit nicely.  Great if you want show the Saturn V in stages.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: Decoman on December 28, 2017, 01:05:09 am
Just to be clear, is this the Airfix kit?

I noticed yesterday that Dragon has a kit too, but that is for 1:72 scale.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: scottminium on December 29, 2017, 03:58:43 pm
I don't have experience with airfix, though I'd venture that Tamiya or Airfix would have a more precisely engineered kit for the additional cost you will pay.  Though this kit (Revell) had some rough edges and detail here and there isn't great, I would say it is a good value. 

This kit stands 77cm.  I cannot imagine building the 1/72 version, though take a look at mine and imagine the whole thing twice as big!  Detail at that size would either be outstanding or horrid as it would all show very plainly.
Title: Re: Apollo Saturn V
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 31, 2017, 09:03:00 am
Very nice build, Scott! Very well done!