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Title: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 04, 2017, 01:01:58 pm
Greetings Starfighter!

No, no. That's the wrong one!

Hailing Frequencies open! (There! That's better!)

Since my NSEA Protector is pretty much done, I've decided to begin another build - the 1-1400 AMT Enterprise-C!

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 I am going to try and enter my Protector in the IPMS Region 6 ModelFiesta 37 in February. I'm gonna push myself to try and get The Enterprise-C done in time to enter it into the IPMS Houston Modelmania 2018 on 28 April 2018.

Setting deadlines for myself will also help me get more than one model a year done. At least that's the plan.  ;D

This model is a gift from my daughter, the same one that found and gifted me my first build (TOS 1/650 Enterprise), so this one has some memories attached to it as well.

I bought the extra parts for the warp Engines and the Deflector from Don's Light and Magic as I want to do right by the build, but neither do I want to do extensive modifications to the build like I did for the TOS Romulan BoP and the NSEA Protector. I am trying to stay as OOB as I can. We will see. :)

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I plan to light it, of course, and drill out a majority of the windows. I also want to paint it more in keeping with the traditional Federation paint schema. I KNOW it is canon, but just can't see painting a Starship Duck-egg Blue and white; even if the Federation is trying out a "kinder, gentler" theme. So I will be going with a grey scale theme.

I also want to put blinking running lights on it and will be trying my hand at designing and making a 555 timer circuit. Tankton did the one for my Protector but I am trying to push myself to learn more. I also have an idea about the switching over of the impulse engines to Warp, but I may have to post a few questions on the site before that happens.

So far I've wash the parts so they would take the primer and paint well.

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I decided to follow angyscifimodeler's lead and do something about the edge of the saucer. (If you look him up, be aware he is called "angry" for a reason!") He filed the edge of his. I am using Perfect Plastic Putty (PPP) to fill in the troughs around the rim. I was trying to fill in the troughs without filling in the windows, but it looks like I just made more work for myself.

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I may have jumped the gun and have put primer and flight blocking on the insides. In spraying the primer on the saucer, I have lost some definition of where the rim windows are. Again, something to work out.

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I probably should have cut the windows before spraying the primer, but it's already done so I will deal with it. I marked the "off" windows with a permanent marker and then started drilling out windows on the secondary hull.

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I read where some builders drill two holes, top and then bottom, and then use an xacto blade to cut out the rest. I tried that, but am not entirely happy with the results.

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I am gonna try something with a fissure bur and my Dremel. I have a few left over dental burs I can try. If not successful, I may have to pose another question for alternative in the questions section.

Anyway, that's where I am for now. May not get as much done during the holidays as I would hope, but I will post what I can when I can!

Thanks for your comments and for following along with me on another build!

May the wind be at our backs!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Cpt-Spekkie on December 04, 2017, 02:25:28 pm
Greetings admiral,

Looking good so far! when i look at the windows i find them not bad at all. Its at least the same results i got on my build, and possible better at some of them.
Lighting test of the secondary hull is also very sharp!

As for the 555 timer, they are not to difficult to onderstand and make. So when questions arise, just ask :)

So keep it up, you have made in my eyes a great start.  ;D
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Decoman on December 04, 2017, 02:39:51 pm
I too am wondering if I could drill out the wide/tall shaped windows better. Makes sense to use a drill bit for either end, and then sand down the center part.

Perhaps a tiny square shaped metal file would be perfect, if the file has some tapered shape for variable size, not having to go buy some specific dimension for the cross section dimensions for the tip.

You could try just carefully drag a rotating drill bit sideways between the two initial holes, but I can also see how that can go wrong and disfiguring the window hole opening.


Otherwise, a small flat file should work nicely I think, for sanding down the middle part of that wide/tall widow opening after drilling out a hole on each end.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Tankton on December 04, 2017, 02:50:02 pm
Looking good Steve. I have a schematic using a 556 timer that will get you
navs and strobes. Here it is. This will run on 6 to 12 volts.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on December 04, 2017, 05:54:49 pm
a bur?  do you have a pic of the tool you are using?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on December 04, 2017, 06:06:37 pm
Noting the DLM parts, is Don still selling?  I've never had kits in his scales, but it is disappointing to see he wasn't breaking even and might have closed up shop.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Mstowell on December 04, 2017, 08:23:43 pm
I hope DLM is able to stay in business.  Anything I
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 05, 2017, 08:00:58 am
G'day, Fellow Modelers!

Greetings admiral,

Looking good so far! when i look at the windows i find them not bad at all. Its at least the same results i got on my build, and possible better at some of them.
Lighting test of the secondary hull is also very sharp!

As for the 555 timer, they are not to difficult to onderstand and make. So when questions arise, just ask :)

So keep it up, you have made in my eyes a great start.  ;D

Thanks, Patrick! I am sorta unclear as to whether or not I want to leave them as I have to do 940 more holes (x's 2) or fix them. It is a long standing debate between my Modeler's OCD and my laziness!  ;D

I too am wondering if I could drill out the wide/tall shaped windows better. Makes sense to use a drill bit for either end, and then sand down the center part.

Perhaps a tiny square shaped metal file would be perfect, if the file has some tapered shape for variable size, not having to go buy some specific dimension for the cross section dimensions for the tip.

You could try just carefully drag a rotating drill bit sideways between the two initial holes, but I can also see how that can go wrong and disfiguring the window hole opening.


Otherwise, a small flat file should work nicely I think, for sanding down the middle part of that wide/tall widow opening after drilling out a hole on each end.

Decoman - as for dragging a rotating drill bit - I understand what you are saying and agree. However the dental fissure bur I have in mind should do the job a little more cleanly - if my hands can remain steady. :) Also, I thought about a needle file, but the smallest I have is bigger than the windows size I need to create. Do you have a suggestion for a smaller file size?

TANKTON! You are the MAN! I will try and put this circuit diagram together and, if I run into any issues, I'll be sure to ask you and Patrick many questions!!  8) ;D

a bur?  do you have a pic of the tool you are using?

Scott, yes. Yes I do now.

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Using my stunning skills of "Google-Fu", I found information about this particular bur. It is a Dental Carbide Burs FG # 701 Tapered Fissure CrossCut High HP. As you can see, it has a slight taper to it and could cause a bit of over finishing if countersunk too far into the windows. Here is a pic of the bur resting in the windows:

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It seems the right size to clean up the windows - again - if you have steady hands. There are also smaller, more cylindrical burs for purchase from your favorite outlet. Here is just one site https://www.net32.com/ec/alpen-fg-699-taper-fissure-crosscut-carbide-d-82477 (https://www.net32.com/ec/alpen-fg-699-taper-fissure-crosscut-carbide-d-82477)

As for DLM - I believe he is still taking and filling orders. The various forums seems to imply he is still active. I would try and contact him first; he might respond. If so, let me/us know.

Matt - your post cut off so I didn't get to respond.  ;)

Thanks for the interest and encouragement, guys! I appreciate the interest and comments!

LLAP!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on December 05, 2017, 12:20:08 pm
Awesome Steve.  I was wondering what model was next.

I saw a post from a guy on here that actually hooked his pen vice to a drill press somehow and then steadied the part he was drilling with a piece of wood.  He would just keep the press running at the high position and move the model parts under the moving drill to drill out his windows. 

I thought that a pretty good idea and will give it a try when the time comes.

Anyway... really looking forward to your build.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: greg on December 05, 2017, 06:59:24 pm
Hey Steve, I am glad that you are not a modeler like myself and that you are far more linear. For me, I have so many model projects going on at the same time that I never seem to finish anything. I have the Platz version of this kit (the distributor for Japan) and it comes with different options for the deflector dish (Enterprise C as well as TMP-era) as well as decals for several different ships other than the Enterprise C: Excalibur, Yamaguchi, and the Zuhkov/Zhukov. IIRC, AMT released a Yamaguchi version that has the TMP version deflector dish. That's what my Platz model comes with. I made an unboxing video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgHqzDbYFc) of the Platz version.

Since the model already comes with clear parts, I passed on DLM's clear parts. However, I did get his panel marking decals since it'll be easier to use those than to try masking them on my own. (I'm not good at masking like you are.) Since my Platz kit comes with Japanese instructions and calls for Japanese paints, out of curiosity I looked on Round2's website to see the instructions for the AMT version. It calls for Model Master Russian Flanker colors. These were only ever available as enamels, and I believe they have been discontinued along with so many other Testors enamels.

I always liked the C better than the D because it was more of a combination of the A and the D.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Spencer on December 05, 2017, 09:01:58 pm
Excellent Steve!

Will be watching this one. Always liked the look of the Enterprise-C, just something about it ...

The bur seems like an interesting idea. I'd also try drilling out the middle if you can, then cleaning up with some micro files.
Been thinking about getting these actually:
https://www.micromark.com/12-piece-Micro-File-Set?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInfLB-7H01wIV3ISzCh13oAeMEAQYASABEgI5pPD_BwE

Spencer

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: manu on December 06, 2017, 12:22:32 am
The drilling looks good. A grey scheme sounds just fine, on screen it looked grey anyway so it is fitting.
Looking forward to following your build.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 06, 2017, 07:56:33 am
Awesome Steve.  I was wondering what model was next.

Yeah, it was a toss up between the TOS-E 350 and this one. This one won out as I was looking for an "easy" build to do after the Protector.  BUT, I also thought the TOS Romulan BoP was going to be an "easy" build too and you saw what happened there!  ::)

I thought that a pretty good idea and will give it a try when the time comes.

Yeah. What's that saying "Necessity is the Mother of Invention"?!  ;D

Hey Steve, I am glad that you are not a modeler like myself and that you are far more linear. For me, I have so many model projects going on at the same time that I never seem to finish anything.

"Linear"?! We are all linear as we all subject to the time and space continuum into which we have been subjected. But, as the Great Doctor put it "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff."  ;D ;D ;D

How ever you build, greg, in the end, it's always the fun that you have that matters, not the productivity!  ;D ;D

I always liked the C better than the D because it was more of a combination of the A and the D.

Me too!!

@Spencer - thanks for dropping in on the build! Those files, if they are as small as they look to be, could be what I have been looking for. Thanks for the link!

@manu - thanks for the encouragement! While I have settled on the grey scheme, I haven't settled on the exact grey scale and value to use. Any recommendations would be appreciated!


Thanks, Gents, for the comments, suggestions and kind words! I hope to get more done over the holidays, but will see how it goes!

LLAP!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Macupar on December 06, 2017, 08:32:28 am
Good luck on this ship! Though I personally never liked the design of this ship, I always like watching people build this. I will be building a 1/1000 version of this ship when I work on my Ships of the Line set  so I will be watching you!

Mike
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on December 14, 2017, 08:05:04 pm
The 1/1400 looks like more fun than my 1/2500  :)

I like the work on the portholes/windows in the engineering section. 

"Greetings Starfighter."  Hah!  "It was a mobile cave, but ours never went anywhere."
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 15, 2017, 07:37:25 am
The 1/1400 looks like more fun than my 1/2500  :)

I like the work on the portholes/windows in the engineering section. 

Thanks, Scott! The 1/1400 is certainly big enough to allow my fat fingers room to work!


"Greetings Starfighter."  Hah!  "It was a mobile cave, but ours never went anywhere."

Glad you caught that greeting!  ;D
I guess I'm a big enough nerd to know and like those 80's SciFi movies - especially this one!

Grig: [looking at Alex in uniform] "Ah! Now you look human!"

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: TK Iain on December 16, 2017, 02:04:35 pm
Were'nt you recruited by the Star League?

I always thought the "C" was the ugly duckling of the Enterprises but looking forward to seeing this one come together mate.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: whb64 on December 17, 2017, 06:05:18 am
The Enterprise B is growing on me, but to me that one is the odd man out and ugly duckling out of all the Enterprise designs.  I rank them (my opinion) The Constitution Refit, then the NX-01, then the D, TOS, D and C, E and last the B.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on December 27, 2017, 05:56:07 pm
From a masking perspective, the C is nice because the saucer is a circle instead of some other odd shape. 

The other thing going for the C is that it showed up in one of the BEST TNG episodes.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 02, 2018, 07:37:17 am
Happy New Year, Modelers!!

After driving 32 hours roundtrip to see the family, I didn't have a lot of free time to model. But I do know, Kansas is FAAH-LAAAAT! ;)

But I did get some time to do the mind numbing work of drilling some windows. More on that in a bit.

Were'nt you recruited by the Star League?

Why yes, yes I was! ;)

I always thought the "C" was the ugly duckling of the Enterprises but looking forward to seeing this one come together mate.

Cheers, Iain! I actually like the C and would go so far as to say I think the producers should have used this design for the Enterprise TNG rather than the design they did. The C harkens back the TOS (my favorite) in the cylindrical secondary hull and the circular saucer; it LOOKS like the Enterprise. While I respect the D, I probably will not build one. Just my opinion. Thanks for dropping in an watching the build, though!

The Enterprise B is growing on me, but to me that one is the odd man out and ugly duckling out of all the Enterprise designs.  I rank them (my opinion) The Constitution Refit, then the NX-01, then the D, TOS, D and C, E and last the B.

wbh64, yeah, I'm not too keen on the B either but, like stated above, I respect it as canon, but probably won't build this one either.

From a masking perspective, the C is nice because the saucer is a circle instead of some other odd shape. 

The other thing going for the C is that it showed up in one of the BEST TNG episodes.

Yeah, Scott, I think "Yesterday's Enterprise" episode (S03E15) is one of the better episodes out there! The circular design of the saucer is a plus and the grid lines really help with mask placement! (I haven't gotten that far yet but I am hoping this is true!  :-\ )

I did mange to get the STBD side window drilled out before a crippling blow was dealt. I know I need to do some clean up but I had to show some progress.

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I was planning to get going on the ventral saucer when I broke my one and only 0.70mm pin vice drill bit, so I will have to work on something else for a bit - probably the lighting scheme.

I ordered some more drill bits and I took Spencer's advice and ordered these:
https://www.micromark.com/12-piece-Micro-File-Set?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInfLB-7H01wIV3ISzCh13oAeMEAQYASABEgI5pPD_BwE

I hope they are smaller than the microfiles I already have. The ones I have are too large. We'll see.

Till then, thanks for following and commenting! All comments and constructive criticisms are appreciated!

Steve


Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 02, 2018, 08:40:40 am
Looks good so far Steve.  Sorry about breaking the bit.  Those things are so small anyway it's hard to even use them.   I liked the link for the mico files.  I might have to get some of those.

Also...  I agree on the C.  I thought the design was great.  I never did like the D.  It always looks so awkward to me.  Some of the shots showing it swinging around made the saucer look like it was bending away from the primary hull.  I hate to say it but it just looks silly.   The E however.....(drooling).  I think that thing looks awesome.

Still.. nothing compares to the T.O.S. and the A   I love both of those.

Onward and upward.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Spencer on January 02, 2018, 08:42:10 am
I have a pic of the same files I ordered for my new build.
Hope they're small enough for you, those windows are tiny.  :-\

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Looking good so far!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on January 03, 2018, 08:37:49 pm
I get my small drill bits from CML Supply.
https://www.cmlsupply.com/mini-micro-drill-bit-70-hss-pack-of-6-usa-made/
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 04, 2018, 07:21:45 am
Hailing Frequencies Open! Hey, Modelers!

I agree on the C.  I thought the design was great.

Still.. nothing compares to the T.O.S. and the A   I love both of those.

Shawn

Thanks for the props, Shawn!

Yeah, I still think the original Enterprise design is still the best. The Refit is awesome, but the "...no bloody A, B, or C..." version is, and always will be, my favorite!

I have a pic of the same files I ordered for my new build.
Hope they're small enough for you, those windows are tiny.  :-\

Looking good so far!

Thanks for the support, Spencer. The pic you showed looks like the Testors micro files I picked up from LHS, so...we'll see if the ones I ordered are any smaller. And, "Yes", those windows are tiny.  :-\

I get my small drill bits from CML Supply.
https://www.cmlsupply.com/mini-micro-drill-bit-70-hss-pack-of-6-usa-made/

@Scott - thanks for the alternate source for the drill bits. The ones I ordered from Amazon are supposed to be dental quality and hopefully will be made of sturdier stuff than the last set I had. If not, I can foresee ordering alot from this place instead.

However, I just got an email stating the bits should be here next week so I will be back at it then.

Thanks, as always, for the comments and suggestions! They are all very much appreciated!

Steve



Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on January 04, 2018, 05:33:13 pm

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@Scott - thanks for the alternate source for the drill bits. The ones I ordered from Amazon are supposed to be dental quality and hopefully will be made of sturdier stuff than the last set I had. If not, I can foresee ordering alot from this place instead.
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Dental quality!  Hah!  The drill bits will be too big!  More pain that way!  ;D
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 08, 2018, 07:19:47 am
Good Monday, Fellow Modelers!

Dental quality!  Hah!  The drill bits will be too big!  More pain that way!  ;D

@Scott! LOL! Yep you are correct in that Professional Torturers, aka "Dentists", seem to enjoy inflicting pain! I worked with them for 15 years. I know whereof I speak!  ;D ;D ;D

I got the dental burs in the mail Friday and found they wouldn't fit in my pin vice - the shank was too big. (You were right, Scott!) So I put it in my Dremel and tried it out on the ventral saucer. About an hour later I was done with it and I think it turned out very well! (As Iain would put it "I was well chuffed!")  ;)

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The dorsal saucer has ALOT more windows on it, so I sectioned it off in quarters and started in on it too. I only got one section done before my hand gave out from holding the Dremel. (If any one knows of a smaller handpiece, lemme know as I could certainly use it instead of that five pound Dremel!)

Here's a pic of the upper saucer:

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I am hoping to get the saucer done this week and then I might be able to start in on the electronics and masking.

Thanks for following and commenting!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Tankton on January 08, 2018, 10:35:55 am
Excellent work you might want to check one of these out Steve.

https://www.amazon.com/Dremel-8050-N-18-Rotary-Accessories/dp/B015DVN4E4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1515429255&sr=8-3&keywords=Dremel+Mini
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 11, 2018, 08:00:00 am
Thanks, Cameron, but I think the flex shaft attachment is more in my price range.

BUT, my BDay is coming up in April so.... :)

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Spencer on January 11, 2018, 08:28:21 am
Nice work Steve.

(If any one knows of a smaller handpiece, lemme know as I could certainly use it instead of that five pound Dremel!)

Dremel use to make a Stylus versus of their tool, but stopped a couple years ago. I have one and will lament the day it gives out.

There are some other versions out there though.
Like this one. (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Genesis-7-2-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Hobby-Tool-with-65-Accessories-GLHT72-65/203656915?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-AllProducts%7c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2ZyV2I7Q2AIV2BiBCh24GQmUEAQYAiABEgLPdPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CNySlYqP0NgCFc_YwAodD3QAMA)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: ImWolf on January 14, 2018, 12:36:33 am
I've been going through TNG series discs and just got to "Yesterdays Enterprise" last night, so I thought I'd catch up on your thread here....

Although this class of starship wasn't eye candy to me at first, it has grown on me over the years, but that original blue paint job does nothing for me, so I'm glad to read you'll be going with diff colors.

Your windows look pretty good for the method you're using.....   that plastic is kinda thick isn't it?   :b

Best windows/slots I've seen are produced with an endmill....   but it's impossible to use these cutters free hand and get accurate results.

Check ya later....

Wolf
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 15, 2018, 08:12:22 am
Lookin' good Steve.  Defiantly looks like a ton of work on those windows.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on January 15, 2018, 01:19:12 pm
windows are looking quite nice.  How will you do dark vs. lit?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 15, 2018, 05:29:04 pm
Hey ya'll!

Thanks for the support about the windows! Yeah, I know some aren't perfect but I am gonna steal a page out of Spencer's builds and have ordered a needle point diamond bur set so I can may give some of the knarly windows some proper shaping.

@Spencer - I got those files from Micro something or rather and they were too big - STILL! I have thought about modifying them - we'll see.

I've been going through TNG series discs and just got to "Yesterdays Enterprise" last night, so I thought I'd catch up on your thread here....

Although this class of starship wasn't eye candy to me at first, it has grown on me over the years, but that original blue paint job does nothing for me, so I'm glad to read you'll be going with diff colors.

Your windows look pretty good for the method you're using.....   that plastic is kinda thick isn't it?   :b

Best windows/slots I've seen are produced with an endmill....   but it's impossible to use these cutters free hand and get accurate results.

Check ya later....

Wolf

Thanks for catching up, Wolf. Unlike you, I was really excited to see the, uh, "C" when it first appeared! I thought "There's the ship they should have used!" I know, I am alone in this but... :)

I actually had to look up what an end mill was - not sure I understand it anyway. I had thought my dremel press would work but I could figure out how to stablize the saucer and aim at the same time. Simple minded me.

Again, thanks for catching up!

@Shawn, glad to see you're off your deathbed, Buddy!

@Scott, i have given your question some thought. Angryscifimodeler, who did an awesome build of the C used Tulip Paint for the "off" windows. He hinted it might be a bit messy and stain the model. I'm thinking a sharpie or paint pen might work pretty well. Haven't tried it yet but, again, we'll see.

I finally got most of the saucer drilled out - except for the B/C deck; those windows are a different size.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4668/27931896469_1657eb804a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JyfgFT)Finished drilling ventral saucer. (https://flic.kr/p/JyfgFT)

I still have to try and finish up the secondary hull, too! I may go ahead and start masking out for the paint scheme while I am waiting on my diamond burs. I still haven't even set up the lights yet.

Ah, well! What an enjoyable hobby!

Stay frosty my friends!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: starsiegeplayer on January 15, 2018, 07:52:03 pm
Looking really good, man.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Spencer on January 15, 2018, 08:25:25 pm
Looking sharp!

Hope the burrs help you clean out the ... uhh ... burrs and are small enough this time.

Also I've heard, but never tried it, if you brush a sparingly thin bit of liquid cement around the edges it can help to smooth them out a little.

Spencer
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 16, 2018, 08:00:40 am
I'm not quite off my deathbed yet.  Still recovering from the flu, but thank you for the good vibes Steve.

Anyway, that looks great so far.   I always admire your patience and precision.  I think the "C" is going to look great when you are done.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MattA on January 17, 2018, 08:05:18 pm
Nicely done on those windows!  I actually picked up a Yamaguchi in order to not have to drill the windows (it's a clear kit), but yours looks fantastic.  I'll be paying close attention.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: jwood314 on January 17, 2018, 08:48:31 pm
Looking awesome!  Keep at it, there is a ton of windows in there, lol.

Cheers,
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 18, 2018, 07:43:34 am
Thanks for the support guys! Very much appreciated!


Also I've heard, but never tried it, if you brush a sparingly thin bit of liquid cement around the edges it can help to smooth them out a little.


Spencer, I've not heard that. Interesting! (As Mr. Spock would say.) I will try that and see what happens. I did come up with a technique that seems to be working for me on the openings. More on that in a bit.

@Matt, yeah I've read ALOT of guys have said here on the thread that they have picked up the clear Yamaguchi instead of having to drill out the windows. When I was gifted mine, I didn't know they had a clear one. Beside, trekriffic, I think, said the clear model presented it's own set of challenges (i.e. brittle material). But I think Boyd did a build of of the clear C and he seemed to really like it.

Most of the windows on the primary hull I did with the 0.70mm dental bur, but the B/C deck has smaller (skinnier) windows; closer to 0.50mm. So, back to the Pin vice.

Here's a couple of shots of the B/C deck in progress.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4677/25888994058_a9becba665_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FrHRYw)20180117_181313 (https://flic.kr/p/FrHRYw)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4670/39729084522_88b9a5143a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23wHWFU)20180117_181324 (https://flic.kr/p/23wHWFU)
 
I'm happier with how these turned out than I am with the saucer windows. I took a page from dentistry and cut a very thin strip of 600 grit sandpaper and threaded it through the window. After a couple of pulls, it seems to have cleaned up the edges. I know they're not perfect, but they're closer than the other windows; for now. :)

Thanks, as always for the encouragement and the comments!

Keep 'em coming!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: AlW on January 18, 2018, 05:11:32 pm
Really nice work on the windows, Steve.  Threading a strip of sandpaper thru them?  Wow, that's a technique I hadn't considered!  Watching with interest!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on January 18, 2018, 08:03:31 pm
This has so much more detail than the 1/2500, what with the panel lines and raised escape pods. 

As for how to do the windows off/on, I have a possibly difficult (or perhaps just painstaking) solution.  Drill them all out.  For the 'dark' windows, you just cover them from the inside with strip styrene.  Once painted, you fill them all with Krystal Klear.  For the dark windows you could tint the Krystal with black paint.  as you won't apply the Krystal Klear until all painting is complete, a little bit on the exterior is easily wiped away.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 22, 2018, 08:24:33 am
G'Day all!

This will be a quick update - nothing monumental.

Really nice work on the windows, Steve.  Threading a strip of sandpaper thru them?  Wow, that's a technique I hadn't considered!  Watching with interest!

Thanks, Al! Sometimes the simplest solution is the best. Thanks for hangin out! I will need your and other electronics gurus help in sussing out the electronics - although they will be more complicated than anything I have built before.

This has so much more detail than the 1/2500, what with the panel lines and raised escape pods. 

Yeah, I'm impressed with detail in this thing, too! I will be trying to add a "few" extra details without going Protector crazy!

Ok, you said...

As for how to do the windows off/on, I have a possibly difficult (or perhaps just painstaking) solution.  Drill them all out....


...and my mind went into overload!  "Drill out al...ALL of them?! Surely you jest?!" ;D ;D ;D ::)

Your suggestion sounds like the best way to do the "off" windows but I may still stick with the "paint them in". Although, I may use your suggestion on the 350 TOS Enterprise I will build in the near future; so thanks.

I broke another drill bit (0.50mm), I thought I could avoid it, while working on the B/C deck. So, I ordered some more Tungsten carbide dental burs which SHOULD arrive Wednesday.

So until then, I worked on my light scheme. Here is a pic of the breadboard - with switch and 12V power supply plugged in.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4740/39804364582_a3c545a33c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23DnLPY)20180121_144424 (https://flic.kr/p/23DnLPY)

Rows 1-5 will be the primary hull window lights
Rows 6-10 will be the formation lights (with Fiber optics)
Rows 11-19 will be the secondary hull window lights
Rows 23-24 will be the Deflector Dish light (5mm)
Rows 26-44 will be the Starboard Engine lights
Rows 45-58 will the the Port Engine lights

I know the single red, white and green will be connected to the flasher unit for the formation lights, but I have to figure out how to connect them. Tankton kindly gave me the schematic below and I have a 556 Timer circuit to play with, so I will be baby-stepping through how to connect this up. I want to try and put it on a circuit board eventually, but I will have to test it out on the breadboard first...ya know...after I learn how to read a schematic.  ::) ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4769/39804363242_3344143709_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23DnLqS)556-lighting-strobe-schematic (https://flic.kr/p/23DnLqS)

As always, tips, suggestions, and recommendations are always appreciated!
Thanks for reading and commenting.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 22, 2018, 09:44:01 am
Nice lights and saucer Steve.    Making some great progress there for sure.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: AlW on January 22, 2018, 11:40:43 am
Steve, here's a really good site for 555/556 timer circuits.  There's a bunch of "already configured" applications, but also instructions and tips on what you can connect to the outputs and how much load you can put on them.  Hope this helps.  Al

http://www.555-timer-circuits.com/
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Tankton on January 22, 2018, 02:08:35 pm
Hey Steve this is where I got my 555 timer pcb's from. Just add parts.

https://oshpark.com/
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 24, 2018, 07:29:22 am
Well....crap!

I got my 0.50mm burs in and started working on the B/C deck windows. Things were progressing well, but I should have listened to my inner modeler saying "Never do tasks that require fine motor skills when you are tired" but I didn't. Now I am gonna have to pay "stupid tax" and fix the mistake.

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While taking some pictures, I noticed the Aft B/C deck windows weren't the same size or in alignment. It doesn't help that they are 2mm high by 0.50mm wide and I was wearing 7X loops.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4610/26000133618_38198acbd3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FBxtTQ)20180123_193336 (https://flic.kr/p/FBxtTQ)

Soooooooo, I'm gonna have to go back and fix them. I think I am going to follow some recommendations mentioned here of filling the windows with clear nail acrylic, then masking and painting them over. I may try trekriffic's suggestion of making a custom punch to cut precise masks for the windows. I'll have to puzzle it out a bit more and think of materials I will need to make them.


I HATE "Stupid tax"! Probably because I pay it so often.

Thanks Al and Cameron for the 555timer links. I still have to work through the lighting and boarding scheme so these links should help quite a bit!

Thanks, as always, Shawn for your support!

Take care and may your models be tax free!  ;D

Till the next update!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 24, 2018, 07:55:26 am
Honestly I don't think it looks that bad Steve.  Maybe I'm just a slob, but I think they look pretty good.   I guess in the long run is anybody going to look at your model and say "Wow... a work of art.... wait a minute... what's this on the B/C deck. This whole thing just needs to go in the trash."   Of course I know you are a perfectionist and will fix those windows and they will be better than ever.   

Just my 2 cents.

I think the thing is looking fabulous.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: ImWolf on January 24, 2018, 01:55:43 pm
I agree with Shawn that your windows on that B/C deck really don't look so bad Steve....  I've seen worse (by my own hand).

When I blew the windows on my current build I used Tamiya putty to fill them all in, and then went for strike 2. Even though the Tamiya putty dries nice and hard compared to others, there was still a lot of chipping that happened so even though the shape came out much better the second time around I still have a lot of rough edges.

Maybe I should have used Epoxy Sculp, which I know now dries very hard and is still easy to work with when dry.

In any event, I would suggest you put some windows in a practice piece and try putties/fillers on that b4 using it on the model.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: manu on January 25, 2018, 01:10:56 am
It looks beautiful, Steve.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: starsiegeplayer on January 25, 2018, 01:24:23 am
I also think they do not look that bad.  You might try to gently make them the same height with a hand file but the alignment really is not bad.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 25, 2018, 07:22:44 am
Thanks, guys, for your input and opinions. I guess I had a freak out moment there!

Thanks for helping me reign in my Modeler's OCD and talk me down from the ledge! (Another reason I am on this forum.)

I am gonna fix that extra tall conference room (Observation room?) window and redrill it. I put some Perfect Plastic Putty in that and am waiting for it to dry. Since I had the PPP out, I puttied another section of the saucer sensor bands. I had to be careful not to fill in the windows on the edges.

Thanks again guys!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: madmonk on January 25, 2018, 08:03:10 am
Great work so far Steve, I have to admire your perseverance with all those windows!!

On the lighting side have you considered using SMD LEDs, they are smaller than the 3mm round LEDs and if adding F/O give you a flat surface to work with.  Also I use Arduino to programme small ATtiny85 8 pin processors which give you up to 5 outputs so a number of flash rates can be done with one chip and being in an 8 pin package it's quite small.

This is one I did for the Revell 1:600 TOS Enterprise for the Nav lights and strobes at the side of the shuttle bay, I have a second one in the secondary hull that rotates 6 LEDs in the buzzards as well.

(https://i.imgur.com/GQZl6mh.jpg)

They are very versatile chips as you can produce flashing, flickering, sequencing and dimming, worth exploring if you have the time.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: scottminium on January 26, 2018, 05:37:55 pm
I think the windows are great, though I like the idea of a thin coat of glue to melt/blur the edges.

I'd still think about leaving the windows open, then sealing with Krystal Klear (or ELmer's clear) after painting.  "Dark" windows can be achieved with a tiny amount of black paint mixed with Krystal Klear.

This looks SOOOOO much better than the 1/2500 version.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 29, 2018, 08:02:51 am
Mornin, ALL!

Great work so far Steve, I have to admire your perseverance with all those windows!!

Also I use Arduino to programme small ATtiny85 8 pin processors which give you up to 5 outputs so a number of flash rates can be done with one chip and being in an 8 pin package it's quite small.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks, Warren, for your kind words! As for programming, those ATtiny85's look fascinating! While I am not against programming or coding, I have done it in Java but it has been many years ago, I am still learning electronics and want to try the "hard way" first. Sorta like using a paper and pencil to know how to do math before I just use a calculator. Thanks again for the support. (I may have to follow your suggestion if I can't figure out the 555 chips! :)  )

Scott, thanks for your suggestion. Yeah, I'd never heard you could use "a thin coat of glue to melt/blur the edges." Seems worth a try!

I decide not to do a wholesale fix of the windows and decided on just fixing the offending one.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4755/28186738489_378c02f549_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JWLpkP)20180124_191948 (https://flic.kr/p/JWLpkP)

So I used PPP to fill it. I taped it off to try and minimize the mess.

I also filled in the sensor band around the perimeter of the saucer and sanded it smooth. This will help with the decal placement as it will be on a smooth surface rather than uneven. I still have to go in an scribe the gridlines down into the edge. This will make it appear closer to the studio model.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4618/39068198625_bb4af2712b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22wjJkt)20180126_161955 (https://flic.kr/p/22wjJkt)

I also got tired of waiting on my diamond tipped needle drills to clean up the windows. Since I have two sets of micro files now, and both sets are still too big, I modified one to use to clean out the windows.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4612/39965910621_193b21cfc0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TDJQv)20180126_173044 (https://flic.kr/p/23TDJQv)

If it works, it ain't stupid!  ;D ;D

I am working on the wiring diagram for the build and, once I get it prettied up and finalized, I'll share to get your input!

Thanks for the comments and helps!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 29, 2018, 08:06:59 am
Nice job on the file modification Steve.   Looking great so far.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: AlW on January 29, 2018, 12:06:35 pm
Hey Steve, you get lots of credit for making your own micro-mini file!  I've searched high and low too for smaller file sets and here's the best I could find.  They're for jewelry making and are 0.4mm to 1.4mm.  I don't see a rectangular one in the set, but they're small enough to shape up most of the windows we deal with.  Al

http://www.cooksongold.com/Jewellery-Tools/-Range=Files/-Size=1.40mm/-Type=0/-Brand=0/-Font=0/&prdsearch=y&show=N
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 05, 2018, 03:56:39 pm
GDay Fellow Modelers!

@Thanks Shawn!

@ AlW thanks, Al! I got my needle point diamond burs in the mail last week and I will see what I can do with them before I order your suggestion. At the very least, I will keep them in mind if I ever get insane enough to try this again! :D


RL kinda got busy and did not really give me a chance to get on the bench this week. I wasn't idle though. I was working on my lighting placement and scheme. I did find some lights I will have to add and, as this is only a draft, I may wire differently. I rewatched ST:TNG S03E15 and noticed that the lights on the saucer and the nacelles DON'T BLINK. So I may have to rethink the flasher units. But, since I am so far off the reservation with my paint scheme, I might as well make what lights I want to blink, blink!

Take a look and you electronics gurus let me know what you think.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4630/39205859625_a690d69e3c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22Juh9Z)Enterprise C Ornographic Lighting Dorsal (https://flic.kr/p/22Juh9Z)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4608/39205859525_6c220618ca_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22Juh8g)Enterprise C Ornographic Lighting Ventral (https://flic.kr/p/22Juh8g)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4747/39205859555_c046fde795_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22Juh8M)Enterprise C Ornographic Lighting Profile (https://flic.kr/p/22Juh8M)

I do want to work on building some blinky units but RL may find where I'm hiding and get me again before I do that!

Till then, steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on February 06, 2018, 10:11:01 am
Those lights didn't blink?  I wonder if they just went cheap on the model?

I like your diagrams.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Tankton on February 06, 2018, 10:43:30 am
Love the lighting layout. Might have to borrow it when I do my C.
If I ever get the time. Still trying to finish two other kits.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: ImWolf on February 06, 2018, 01:48:30 pm
If you're going to include some flashers Steve, make sure you test the entire system. From my experience the flasher needs to be on a separate circuit or each flash will slightly (at least) diminish all the other lights on the circuit and in effect ALL lights will be flashers....

Wolf
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 07, 2018, 07:53:53 am
Hey Guys!

Those lights didn't blink?  I wonder if they just went cheap on the model?

I like your diagrams.

Shawn

Yeah, I was kinda surprised myself about the steady on lights. I thought at least the saucer lights would blink. Remember, it was only a "ship of the week" appearance; at least for the "E". The model did reappear as the Yamaguchi later on in the series - haven't done research as to which episode through. It might be interesting to find out and see if they added blinkies then.

Thanks about the diagrams! It's kinda part of my job to work in Visio so I have lots of practice making them.

Love the lighting layout. Might have to borrow it when I do my C.
If I ever get the time. Still trying to finish two other kits.

Borrow away. Fair warning: you may have to fix them to get them right! :)

If you're going to include some flashers Steve, make sure you test the entire system. From my experience the flasher needs to be on a separate circuit or each flash will slightly (at least) diminish all the other lights on the circuit and in effect ALL lights will be flashers....

Wolf

Wolf, thanks for the tip and critique! Looking at the diagrams, I can see where you would have drawn that conclusion. The 555 timer circuits will be connected to their own power source; separate from the steady state light's power. But yeah, I plan to test the... ;) well, thoroughly test the circuits before they are placed in the base!  ;D

Looking at another builder's thread of an Ambassador class ship, I see I still have some clean up to do on the windows. While I am doing that, I am planning on building a display to go on the base...probably.

Thanks for the input and interest!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: madmonk on February 07, 2018, 08:19:31 am
Circuitry looks good Steve, my only comment would be where you have 2 or more LEDs in a circuit to wire them in parallel rather than in series as you have them. 

As you have them wired at the moment if one fails the whole circuit will fail.

The effect that the flasher circuit will have on static LEDs depends on the integrity of your power supply, if it is sized to supply the voltage and current you need then you should have no problems.  It can be seen at its worst when using batteries to supply LEDs, as the battery starts to lose voltage the flicker will effect the static lights.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 21, 2018, 01:15:32 pm
Greetings!

Warren, thanks for the advise. I think I have modified the schema to make only two LEDs in a series. But I will test it out before I build.

I know it has been awhile since I last posted, RL and IPMS have had me tied up a bit and kept me away from the bench. I was able to get some time in on the bench, but it has been in spurts. But I have made some headway. I am nearly ready to paint, but only if the Texas weather cooperates.

While I was at IPMS San Antonio, I met Ralph from TenaControls and he sold me his Federation Nav-light set - so I chickened out on building my own blinky circuit. But, I swear it shall be done! (For you "Princess Bride" fans out there!)

I was able to scribe some lines on the perimeter of the saucer much like the studio model has. I also filled and sanded the sensor bands AMT cut into the model. Yuck.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4703/25528707967_b27d6fe546_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ETTitn)20180207_212601 (https://flic.kr/p/ETTitn)

I decided to make the collision avoidance, squadron formation lights, on the saucer blink. It does not seem like Star Fleet without them. So I leveled of the nubs that AMT had for the lights and drilled out the holes for the Fiber Optic (FO) strands and...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4660/40400543021_83d2b566e8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24y4kUz)20180210_081756 (https://flic.kr/p/24y4kUz)

...Right into the AMT placement of the orientation peg! AAAAAaaaaggaah!
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The 0.75mm FO fits and should make a nice blinky light, once I round the end and paint it (I think).

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Then I started thinking about how I would route the FO if the orientation peg and hole were filled with, ya know, each other. So I decided to make a channel for the strand and cut a channel in the receiver. I may have to go back and shave the peg off a little to allow for the strand to remain un-kinked.
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 But once I get it all settled, I should look something similar to this.
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If it all goes to plan. I also remembered that I needed to light the planetary sensor array, so I cut a hole in the ventral saucer. TaDaaa!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4678/39503981485_436fa45a12_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23bQep4)20180220_203140 (https://flic.kr/p/23bQep4)

Well, I hope to make more progress this weekend, again, if the weather cooperates.

Ahead Warp Factor One!

Steve


Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on February 21, 2018, 02:04:36 pm
Looks good Steve. 

I learned that if you want the end of the fiber optic to spread light out evenly, just heat up a knife blade or something like that and push the end of the fiber optics on that hot blade.   The light won't emit only out the end, but can be seen from the sides.   Not sure if you have done that there, you might have.   Anyway, just experiment with the light beam and see.  Maybe you just flare it with the lighter itself.  Been too long since I've done that.

Anyway, looking great so far.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: greg on February 21, 2018, 11:31:59 pm
Looks good Steve. 

I learned that if you want the end of the fiber optic to spread light out evenly, just heat up a knife blade or something like that and push the end of the fiber optics on that hot blade.   The light won't emit only out the end, but can be seen from the sides.   Not sure if you have done that there, you might have.   Anyway, just experiment with the light beam and see.  Maybe you just flare it with the lighter itself.  Been too long since I've done that.
I have used a lighter to mushroom the tip of FO before, but I've never thought about smooshing it against a hot knife. Interesting idea to try sometime.

Steve, you may want to wave a hot soldering iron close to the FO to get it to bend more so that you can close the clamshell without crimping the fiber. How did you scribe the lines along the saucer? Dymo Tape?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 26, 2018, 08:09:33 am
Looks good Steve. 

I learned that if you want the end of the fiber optic to spread light out evenly, just heat up a knife blade or something like that and push the end of the fiber optics on that hot blade.   The light won't emit only out the end, but can be seen from the sides.   Not sure if you have done that there, you might have.   Anyway, just experiment with the light beam and see.  Maybe you just flare it with the lighter itself.  Been too long since I've done that.
I have used a lighter to mushroom the tip of FO before, but I've never thought about smooshing it against a hot knife. Interesting idea to try sometime.

Steve, you may want to wave a hot soldering iron close to the FO to get it to bend more so that you can close the clamshell without crimping the fiber. How did you scribe the lines along the saucer? Dymo Tape?

@Shawn - I hadn't thought of smooshing (I love it when you use technical lingo!  ;D ) the ends down. That would be different technique.

@greg - I'd heard of this technique but haven't played with it yet. I should have done that on my Protector, but haven't. I may yet - AFTER I play with some scraps.  ;D

On the scribing - don't laugh. I had a decorative curtain rod support left over from many military moves. I bent it open (obtusely - not me, the support rod - from 90 degrees to 120ish degrees) to roughly fit the angle of the saucer, aligned part of it with the gridlines on top and then pulled my Tamiya scribing tool down. I hung the saucer over the edge of the desk so I could keep the angle on the tool the same all through the pull. It ain't stupid if it works. I tried to keep them that same depth as the gridlines and I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out. :)

I have an update, put don't have the pics loaded yet on a hosting website.

Stay tuned!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on February 26, 2018, 12:07:23 pm
I have heard of that turning the optics around the corner.  I think I have done that on my Reliant.  Been too long to remember. 

Anyway, looking forward to your next progress shots.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 26, 2018, 02:51:17 pm
I have heard of that turning the optics around the corner.  I think I have done that on my Reliant.  Been too long to remember. 

Then, my friend, it been too long!

Greetings,

While I was at IPMS San Antonio, I had the privilege of meeting Ralph from TenaControls. He is very friendly and professional in his manner.
Because he was a the show, he was offering discounts for his items and I didn't have to pay S&H, either.So I picked up a "typical" Federation flasher unit
for the C. I thought I was gonna use it on the 1/350 TOS E, but I already bought the light kit for it, so I decided to use it on the C.

BTW, I also picked up the TenaControls kit for the JJPrise. I'm so excited!!

I still have to make my own internal lighting for the engines and the hull, but the flasher unit is no longer a hold up; or at least so I thought until
I opened it up! It's the parts and pieces and I have to solder it together. OKay, breathe!

I figured it out on the breadboard and took a still of it. I am not sure how to post videos here but I have a video, too to show you the lights in action.
I happened to catch the strobes mid-flash so it looks like the are steady-on, but none of them are. It's gonna be a mind bender to figure out how to wire
this together when the lights may be so far apart on the model.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4764/25633302887_50e2171954_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F48nU4)20180223_204441 (https://flic.kr/p/F48nU4)

I have the nacelle inserts from DLM and, while they are awesome, they kind limit my options for lighting and routing the wires. I reduced the front of the insert
to allow room for the red LEDs for the Bussard Collectors. The lower one is reduced and the upper is as shipped. The anterior of the insert does provide some lighting
to create the illusion of depth of the interior of the nacelle.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4766/40503890691_b28cdd51c2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24Hc2yX)20180224_142646 (https://flic.kr/p/24Hc2yX)

So I'm thinking of putting up a partition with reflective tape toward the insert and light with light-blocking
toward the bussard collector (BC).

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4696/25633302717_93ab7317f3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F48nR8)20180224_154803 (https://flic.kr/p/F48nR8)

I was thinking about making a light diffusser for the BC, but the DLM part already does a great job of that. So, the part I was going to use as a diffuser is probably now going
to be an LED holder instead; I'll just have to move the partitian back a little and modify the LED lenses to spread the light a bit.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4707/25633302497_d74b8e2754_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F48nMk)20180224_154923 (https://flic.kr/p/F48nMk)

I also modified the Nacelles to accept the wires for the lights. Interesting side note: the nacelles are keyed to make sure they are assembled correctly and so they seat level. I'm impressed!
So I had to be careful where I was drilling in order to preserve the keys.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4668/38693415890_4a8558673f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21XcSub)20180224_153931 (https://flic.kr/p/21XcSub)

I then modified the nacelle supports to accept the 30AWG magnet wire from the secondary hull to the nacelles. I did a dry fit to see if the wires would come through; they did.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4768/25633302777_1c6d55a18a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F48nSa)20180224_154556 (https://flic.kr/p/F48nSa)

This shot is looking into the secondary hull from the deflector dish. As you can see, I modded the supports to accept wires to the nacelles. The issue is, I would like to put a strobe, via FO in the rear
near the Shuttlebay. This could be easy (in my dreams) or difficult (more likely) to put together. It could be like my Protector; I have to put it in oned side and then glue the other to it.


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4621/25633302657_3fcbefe9bb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F48nQ6)20180224_155101 (https://flic.kr/p/F48nQ6)

Once I get the strobes and the steady-on lighting figured, I can reapply light blocking, close the clamshell, and start painting.

Thanks for comments and suggestions!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: AlW on February 26, 2018, 05:21:01 pm
Looking good, Steve.  What do you think of the quality of the DLM parts overall?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 27, 2018, 07:53:32 am
Looking good, Steve.  What do you think of the quality of the DLM parts overall?

Thanks, Al!

TBH, I think they are superb with only one or two reservations. The detail is marvelous and the light transmission is diffused with minimal light the limitation. There aren't any discernible defects in the external details (the parts that show on the model) and seem well worth the money spent.

The minor complaints I have are:

1. In one of the blue nacelle inserts, there is internal cracking of the material but it doesn't mare the aesthetics of the insert. I suspect when Don quality check it, he determined the same thing. It still works for the build, just a noted imperfection. I think either the mold or material got too warm and caused the material to set too fast; resulting in an internal flaw. Or the material was nearing the end of its working phase and starting to set.

2. The pieces seem a little small compared to the parts they are replacing. While it could be that Don made his molds from a different revision of the model than the one I have, it could also be true that the factory has it's own issues with expansion/contraction of their model molds. Or Don's molds may have shrunk, dried out (depending on the material and age of the mold material) or have changed dimensions due to repeated use.

Are any of these factors going to keep me from using this great products? Absolutely NOT. I'll just have to figure out how to rig them tot he model; part of the fun of building!

Would I buy them again? Absolutely!

Hope this helps!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Shawn McClure on February 27, 2018, 08:42:10 am
Those blue parts look great.  I can't wait to see that lit up.  Very cool that you got to meet Ralph.  He is a really nice guy.  Looking great so far Steve.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: AlW on February 27, 2018, 08:58:09 am
Thanks, Steve, that's a big help.  I'm thinking of ordering DLMs clear and resin parts for the Maquis Raider, a build I hope to start later this year.  Appreciate it:)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: Tankton on February 27, 2018, 11:21:13 am
Don's molds are probably needing replaced. Molds shrink over time.
Since he is winding down his business he probably won't replace them.
He is trying to sell off the business. This is giving me all sorts of Ideas
for my build if and when I get around to it.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C (So it begins)
Post by: ImWolf on February 27, 2018, 02:19:07 pm
Looks like you're planning your work and working your plan quite efficiently Steve....  I'm sure many of us had to deal with the same issues of wiring "half the kit" to get everything together and working in the end.

I'm a bit surprised the original kit parts for the nacelles were not molded in clear at least....  Nice upgrade!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 13, 2018, 07:52:42 am
G'Day All!

Apologies for waiting so long to post. RL threw a curve ball the last few weeks and I haven't had time to get back to the bench.

@Shawn, yeah Ralph is a nice man and does quality workmanship!

@AlW, no worries. I look forward to seeing your next build! BTW, Are you doing something now and I am missing it?! Lemme know!

@Tankton, yeah, I'd read he was wanting to shut down. Didn't know he was wanting to sell the business. I really hope someone steps up and fills the niche he has created with his
aftermarket parts. I would really love to see what you would do with the "C"!

@Wolf, Thanks! I have found the old saying "If you fail to plan, you plan to fail" to be true. I just have a problem with execution. :)  The original kit parts for the nacelles are
clear and they were included with the kit. I just throught the aftermarket parts from DLM would be a nice upgrade.


Here are some shots I took before I had to stop.
I did a dry fit test of the lights in the nacelles. I'm glad I did as I ended up with a few dark spots in the engine. I used my original plan or three LEDs but now I think I will
use four of the blue LEDs to help with the distribution of light.


Darkspots
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/39891314645_59316a0b74_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23M4q3Z)20180228_164906 (https://flic.kr/p/23M4q3Z)

Darkspots 2
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4794/39891314425_e61acfe31d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23M4pZc)20180301_111934 (https://flic.kr/p/23M4pZc)

I also put in a firewall to keep the blue light from influencing the red of the Bussard collectors. There is precious little room in the nacelle for the resistors, the firewall
and the LEDs. I plan to use reflective tape on the nacelle (blue) portion of the wall to help reflect the blue back into the DLM part. I think this will light block the two
types of lights from each other. I think I can trim a little more on the bussard wall to move it a hair forward. Cement and tulip paint will be used to create a physical
barrier between the two walls.

Firewall
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/25914600007_3a22ff13a4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FtZ6Jp)20180301_113752 (https://flic.kr/p/FtZ6Jp)

For grins and giggles, I dry fitted the Bussard Collector to the Nacelle. It really diffusses the light which will negate a detail I saw on screen and I had planned to add.
I hate to waste the DLM part for the detail...hummm...may have to think that one through a bit.

With Bussard
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4782/39891352245_f4527a112b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23M4Beg)20180301_111723 (https://flic.kr/p/23M4Beg)

As spring arrives, Mrs. MSgtUSAFRet is looking at her "honey-do" list and wondering why I am working on the model rather than her castle. So the updates may be more sporadic
for a while. I will lurk and comment and post more when I can!

Till then, Thanks for looking and commenting!

Steady as she goes, Mr. Castillo!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on March 13, 2018, 09:02:27 am
Excellent work so far Steve!

I've thought about DLM's nacelle parts, but probably will just go with the kit parts when I do mine.

I don't know if this will be a problem on this kit, but you might want to make sure the lighting for the windows
doesn't contaminate the fiber optics.

Spencer
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on March 13, 2018, 09:05:44 am
Looks good Steve.  Have you tried putting anything on top of the led's to diffuse the light at all to make it more even?   I know it sounds strange, but I used paper towel strips on my Reliant and it worked.  I have also heard of using wax paper.    Just a thought. 

Glad you are back up and running.   I keep looking at my Reliant wondering who is going to finish it for me.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 14, 2018, 07:41:29 am
Excellent work so far Steve!

I've thought about DLM's nacelle parts, but probably will just go with the kit parts when I do mine.

I don't know if this will be a problem on this kit, but you might want to make sure the lighting for the windows
doesn't contaminate the fiber optics.

Spencer

Spencer, thanks for the kind words and heads-up! I hadn't thought that far forward yet. I had a similar issue with my Protector blinky light. I didn't sheath or coat the FO from the blue bussard collector lighting and when it wasn't blinking white it was blue rather than off. So, yeah, I'm gonna try and avoid that situation this time! :)

Looks good Steve.  Have you tried putting anything on top of the led's to diffuse the light at all to make it more even?   I know it sounds strange, but I used paper towel strips on my Reliant and it worked.  I have also heard of using wax paper.    Just a thought. 

Shawn, yeah, I've thought about it; especially since AngrySciFiModeler, my main source of inspiration for this build, did something similar as shown here:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4779/26934913588_aa6628ca6d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H39tpS)Angryscifimodeler - Nacelle tent (https://flic.kr/p/H39tpS)

I did the Nacelle test because I wanted to see if the DLM blue part would provide an adequate level of diffusion. It does, but not as much as I would have expected; considering the Red Bussard collector is more than enough. I will probably follow AngrySciFiModeler's lead and do the same technique  for mine - after I add another blue LED to the string.

Thanks again for making me think through my plan! (I just need to get busy and execute the plan!  ;D )

Steve

BTW - fair warning if you look up his videos - his expletives are enough to make a sailor blush but he does some quality work.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on March 14, 2018, 10:25:29 am
His videos are a riot!  I laughed so hard, especially when one of his boards went out and he had to cut out a panel to get to it.  He seemed on the frustrated side. 

Anyway, I think the diffused look will look better, no hot spots or weak spots.  The nice thing is it's cheap and takes no time at all to test.

I know yours is going to turn out as good, or better than his.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on March 14, 2018, 05:16:32 pm
small tufts of cotton also work well to diffuse light.  One bit from a pill bottle would probably last you years of models.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 15, 2018, 07:50:12 am
His videos are a riot!  I laughed so hard, especially when one of his boards went out and he had to cut out a panel to get to it.  He seemed on the frustrated side. 

Anyway, I think the diffused look will look better, no hot spots or weak spots.  The nice thing is it's cheap and takes no time at all to test.

I know yours is going to turn out as good, or better than his.

Shawn

Yeah, he seems a little frustrated at most things. ;D

Thanks for the encouragement!

small tufts of cotton also work well to diffuse light.  One bit from a pill bottle would probably last you years of models.

Scott, I haven't tried cotton yet. I may do so. I'd also thought about sanding the ends of the LEDs flat to help diffuse the light a bit more. Thanks for the tip!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on March 15, 2018, 09:12:35 am
Hey Steve, here's one more technique to consider to diffuse the hot spots:  I've used Krylon Glass Frosting on the inside of almost all my tinted parts.  It's easy to control the amount of light diffusion with multiple applications and is simple to apply.  I think Testors Createx has a similar type product.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on March 15, 2018, 06:27:20 pm
Okay, just took a (late!!!) look at the clear parts all lit up and I wouldn't change a thing!  WOW!  those look great!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 16, 2018, 08:11:32 am
Okay, just took a (late!!!) look at the clear parts all lit up and I wouldn't change a thing!  WOW!  those look great!

Hey, Scott, thanks for the confirmation!

For "grins and giggles", I dry-fit the kit's clear parts in the nacelles. As you can see from the photo below, even with cotton stuffed in over the LEDs, I still end up with
hot spots.

Clear Nacelles
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4775/39030539120_a571907a70_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22sZHtE)20180315_210140 (https://flic.kr/p/22sZHtE)


I know there are many who have spend the time to even out the light distribution with the included kit parts and have done an outstanding and enviable jobs with it, but I think the easier route will be to use the DLM part.


As you can see, there is a Ton of Room with the kit clear parts...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4779/26970081178_74f51b2bb2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H6fHvC)20180315_205918 (https://flic.kr/p/H6fHvC)



...but the DLM Part seems to offer more diffusion for less work. Despite the better fit of the kit parts, I'm still gonna use the DLM parts. Besides, I paid for the ruddy things, why not use them?! :)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/39891314645_59316a0b74_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23M4q3Z)20180228_164906 (https://flic.kr/p/23M4q3Z)

I did take off a resistor (560 Ohms) and left a single resistor (470 Ohms) on it and added another LED, four in total, to help even out the light distribution. I'm still
gonna try to make a tent similar to the one shown in the previous post to help with diffusion even more.

Thanks again!

I appreciate the feedback.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on March 16, 2018, 10:30:18 am
Well ...  just to throw my two cents in. I've seen some builds use a couple layers of milk jug plastic, and it seems to work ...
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: pakratt840 on March 16, 2018, 09:30:11 pm
Just caught up with this build Steve. You're doing excellent work, as usual! I have this kit in the inventory, so I need to pay better attention to build logs involving the "C".  I think every Star Trek Kit with lit nacelles provides unique challanges for each one. No two are alike. What works for one won't necessarily work for another. I'm wondering why you chose individual LEDs over strip tape for the nacelles? If you explained it already I apologize for dredging up old info.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on March 19, 2018, 06:02:59 pm
I've become a real fan of the LED tape.  Easy to wire up, consistent light.  Of course, you need space...
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: incubus35 on March 20, 2018, 10:09:09 am
Hi Steve, as always, this is inspiring work!

I've just managed to get this kit, so I'll be watching the thread with interest!

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: neilfsmith on March 20, 2018, 04:10:01 pm
This is looking better and better with each post. Nice work!!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 26, 2018, 09:58:14 am
Well...Frak!
(https://i.imgur.com/f3tBnCCh.jpg)

I did what, I hope, every modeler does only once - I took a shortcut. The nacelle supports were warped and not straight. I needed to heat them up and get them into true before I began assembly. Thought I could control a heat gun rather than put it in the oven. Farglecarb!



Well ...  just to throw my two cents in. I've seen some builds use a couple layers of milk jug plastic, and it seems to work ...

Spencer, Thanks! I will have to empty one first, but I will definitely try this out!

Just caught up with this build Steve. You're doing excellent work, as usual! I have this kit in the inventory, so I need to pay better attention to build logs involving the "C".  I think every Star Trek Kit with lit nacelles provides unique challanges for each one. No two are alike. What works for one won't necessarily work for another. I'm wondering why you chose individual LEDs over strip tape for the nacelles? If you explained it already I apologize for dredging up old info.

Dan, Thanks for the kind words! I got 1,400 3mm LEDs for Christmas and so I am trying to use them up. That's why I am using them instead of the strips. The 350 E will get that treatment.

I've become a real fan of the LED tape.  Easy to wire up, consistent light.  Of course, you need space...

Yeah, Scott, I have the space on this one. I want to graduate to the LED tape, but, as I said above, I need to deplete my stock a bit first. :)


Hi Steve, as always, this is inspiring work!

I've just managed to get this kit, so I'll be watching the thread with interest!

Pete, Thanks for the kind words! Glad to see you active again!


Hey Steve, here's one more technique to consider to diffuse the hot spots:  I've used Krylon Glass Frosting on the inside of almost all my tinted parts.  It's easy to control the amount of light diffusion with multiple applications and is simple to apply.  I think Testors Createx has a similar type product.

I have thought of that, too. My wife tried to frost some glass bulbs - it didn't work out well. The plastic may take it better than the smooth glass so that is an option.

This is looking better and better with each post. Nice work!!

Neil, Thanks for the encouragement! I hope to get done quickly but my own ability to complicate a simple build is getting in the way. ;)


So, I asked the Admiral if I could fund some replacement parts and recieved funding approval. The parts order should arrive today! Yeay!

I still have a lot of work to do on the rest of the ship. With the blinky lights now taken care of (I still have to build it!), I need to catch up with the
steady on lights. I also am working on building the light boxes for the secondary hull. I made a cone for the deflector dish and filed down the end of an LED
to help diffuse the LED cone and spread it out over the Dish.

Deflector Dish light box
(https://i.imgur.com/iB2f7Djh.jpg)

Deflector Dish gluing Light box
(https://i.imgur.com/unruTZAh.jpg)

The light test looks great, IHMO. So, I will replace the wires I have with some connectors so I can glue the peice in and quickly connect the part to power.

Deflector Dish Light Test
(https://i.imgur.com/HukZohwh.jpg)


I also worked on the Impulse Engine light box. I had to drill out the windows and then build the box to fit against the curve of the part. If it all works out, I should have a nice glow there, too!


Building Impulse Engine Light box
(https://i.imgur.com/xCq8AD8h.jpg)

Impluse Engine Light Box
(https://i.imgur.com/SWFWRIwh.jpg)


I also built and tested the saucer lights. While I think the lights are pretty even in the saucer, the bridge and B/C deck look a little dark. What do you think?


Saucer lights
(https://i.imgur.com/WlWr35Yh.jpg)

Saucer Light Test
(https://i.imgur.com/V8QaaQ8h.jpg)



One more mod - I hope - is that all the wiring I will have coming from the saucer, I think it will be easier to cut an opening in the Primary hull, which is larger than the hole
in either the saucer or the neck, and channel my wires through there. At least I can't mess up something that will be covered later :D

Huge Hole Secondary hull
(https://i.imgur.com/la7UOQZh.jpg)

Saucer cut out
(https://i.imgur.com/AqNj5KCh.jpg)


Thanks, as always, for reading and commenting! Your feedback is greatly appreciated!


"Gentlemen, may the wind ever be at our backs! Stations, please."


Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on March 26, 2018, 10:28:32 am
Well that stinks about the nacelle support.    I have actually used really hot water to re shape an object.  That seemed to work pretty well.  Something to try if the situation comes up again.

That deflect dish looks great, as does all the other stuff.   Great progress Steve.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 28, 2018, 08:41:45 am
Greetings, Shipmates!

Well that stinks about the nacelle support.    I have actually used really hot water to re shape an object.  That seemed to work pretty well.  Something to try if the situation comes up again.

That deflect dish looks great, as does all the other stuff.   Great progress Steve.

Shawn

Thanks, Shawn! I had thought about hot water but didn't know about being able to heat the entire peice well enough. I thought I had kept the heatgun moving enough but, that's what
I get for overestimating my own abilities.  :-\

I did get the other kit in the mail - looks like I will have an Apollo-class variant in my future! (Distant future!) :D

SO I was thinking that I will need at least 3 connectors (1 - connector for steady-on, 1 - connector for Navs, and 1 - connector for the saucer strobes) coming out of the saucer
going down through the Interconnecting Dorsal (ICD) and I figured the thin opening into the Saucer wouldn't allow enough room. So, I cut a hole in the ventral saucer; after drawing an
outline (see last post) through the deflector dish opening. I left enough space so the neck will seat properly but allow maximum space through which to pass the connectors and wires.

Saucer hole
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/811/39262985550_500e188321_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22Px4GJ)20180327_165454 (https://flic.kr/p/22Px4GJ)

This is a view, looking through the deflector dish opening, into the saucer. The wires will come up through the hole in the bottom of the secondary hull and go straight into
the saucer.

Planned wiring pathway
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/872/27199726068_c1e87e4cc0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HrxGWh)20180327_165953 (https://flic.kr/p/HrxGWh)

Now I just gotta figure out how to attach the support post. I plan to use the same length of end table lamp conduit, like I did on the Protector, to channel the wires into the
ship from the base. Right now, I am planning to mount the TenaControls flasher unit in the base for easy access, plus 2 switches.

I also made some progress on the Impulse Engine (IE) light box. I know the light is to be blue, but I want red. :) I tried the light in the box and decided it wasn't diffused
enough so I cut a channel in the back of the part and glued a 0.01mm peice of styrene in the part.

Diffusion for the Impulse Engine
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/816/40362854574_76137b0e7e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24uJbrL)20180327_203442 (https://flic.kr/p/24uJbrL)

Here is a pic of the light test and proof of concept test for the light box. I am debating about whether or not to put an extra LED into it as it "might" be too dim. Dunno.
What do you think?

Lightbox and Test for Impulse Engine.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/810/40362854254_a374356e88_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24uJbmf)20180327_205314 (https://flic.kr/p/24uJbmf)

I am getting the feeling, like I did with my TOS Romulan BoP that eventually, I will have to stop modifying the kit and start gluing things together! :D

Soon, my precious! Soon!

I think, once I get the IE done and peiced together, I will focus on getting the Primary hull done (sealed and painted) then focus on putting the rest of the ship together!

As always, thanks for reading and commenting. Hopefully I won't make anymore bone-headed mistakes - although I am not confident I won't! :D :D

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on March 28, 2018, 11:21:11 am
Looking cool Steve.  I think the impulse engine light is a bit too dim.   Maybe held up against the ship with all the lights on to get a better feel.   Just a thought.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: ImWolf on March 28, 2018, 01:31:58 pm
Are you still playing with your toys Steve?   :b

Looking great buddy....
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 03, 2018, 07:56:02 am
Hail, Fellow Builders!

I think the impulse engine light is a bit too dim.   

No, I think you were right, Shawn. I took the diffuser off and tried it with a sanded LED and I like the look much better. See?

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/784/39397578260_757a9ebfb5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/232qTqG)20180330_080235 (https://flic.kr/p/232qTqG)


Are you still playing with your toys Steve?   :b

Yes, and you can't stop me!  :P ;)

Although, Wolf, I do need to start gluing soon!!

Not only did I take the diffuser out of the Impluse Engines, I had to rebuild the light box. The square, or, more accurately, rectangular box ended up blocking the window light on the interconnecting dorsal. So I tried a shape that would allow more light to reach the windows.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/896/40493671004_be0c7dbff2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24GhDBs)20180331_183520 (https://flic.kr/p/24GhDBs)

I will have to reapply the primer on the part as my constant handling, especially since I didn't let it cure long enough, has rubbed some of it off. *sigh* "Two steps forward..." and all that!

I did mange to get the Ventral Saucer steady on wiring harness built. I have tac it down yet and place some FO in the ends and channel the FO into the nav lights positions. But "DANG!" don't it look cool?!

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/818/41208053691_aea2cf587a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25Mq3Gk)20180401_171309 (https://flic.kr/p/25Mq3Gk)

The Nav lights are definitely going to make it a Federation Starship! Woohoo!

Well, small steps build a project and I was gonna wait to post after I had made a major milestone (like a sealed and painted saucer) but couldn't wait to get your feedback.

Thanks for looking and commenting!

"Garrett, commanding Enterprise, Out!"

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on April 03, 2018, 09:02:12 pm
I think that impulse engine looks better in my opinion.   It's looking great Steve.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 09, 2018, 08:40:41 am
Greetings, Fellow Modelers!

I spent a good chunk of time at the bench this weekend for what seems like a minor progress report. But, such is the nature of building lighted models! ;D

Shawn, thanks for the support and confirmation. I think I like it better, too! I will have mask the Impluse Engines off and re-apply the primer again.

I decided, especially since I got the TenaControls board, that I would place a ventral and aft strobe in the secondary hull. So I marked and drilled out the holes. The Aft FO did
want to cooperate until I formed some bends into the fiber; but I took a picture anyway! ;)

Aft Flasher
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/27469708288_f80b6e7f28_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HRprf9)20180407_123158 (https://flic.kr/p/HRprf9)

Ventral Flasher
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/786/40628130264_ac6ac9fee5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24UaMEy)20180407_123424 (https://flic.kr/p/24UaMEy)


I also primered my nacelle supports from my spare kit. These were straighter than my original parts but still not as level as they could be. This time I used hot water and "suggested"
to the part to be a little more straight and then froze them with cool water. I have used this technique in Dental Lab for warped retainers, so I know how to do this without
ending up with a shrinky-dink on my hands. Maybe sometime I will try the oven thing, but for now, the water trick seems to have worked.

Primered Nacelle Supports
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/792/40445676815_651f151c59_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24C3EBr)20180408_174850 (https://flic.kr/p/24C3EBr)



This is what took a majority of my time this weekend. I used Scott Minium's technique of using white gorilla glue, straws, and electrical tape to place the fiber optics into the
LEDs. Although, due to the 3mm LEDs I used, I had to resort to stir sticks rather than straws. The prinicple remains the same; at least the way I understood it. Also, I had a little
trouble with the gorilla glue sticking to the straw. Since the FO was surrounded by gorilla glue, I use CA btwn the stir stick and the glue. It seems to be working.

This is a light test to see how they look. I think I can round the ends of the Navs with a soldering iron after painting.

Ventral Saucer Light test
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/894/40628130104_9c5ec5a090_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24UaMBN)20180408_185048 (https://flic.kr/p/24UaMBN)

Dorsal Light test
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/884/40445676455_350a42de2c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24C3Eve)20180408_222546 (https://flic.kr/p/24C3Eve)


I still have to use hot glue to place the saucer lights in the dorsal and I still have to set the flasher LED on the Aft of the B/C deck, but I am much closer to gluing the saucer
together and begin the painting process.

Thanks for reading and commenting! All suggestions for improvement are welcome!

Till next time,

Hailing Frequencies Open!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on April 09, 2018, 12:39:14 pm
The light test looks great Steve.   I'm glad the bending of the engine supports turned out better for you.   Lookin' good.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on April 09, 2018, 07:59:31 pm
Water or oven same same.  I find the oven is great when you can clamp things in the desired shape.  Water probably allows you to hold things, which ain't so easy in the overn.   :P  For my current project I've thus far used the heat gun on the FO, but FO is not the same risk as structural parts!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: pakratt840 on April 09, 2018, 09:42:34 pm
Quote
I have used this technique in Dental Lab for warped retainers, so I know how to do this without
ending up with a shrinky-dink on my hands.

Now there you go again with those fancy technical terms. ;)

Seriously nice work Steve. The saucer looks great all lit up.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on April 10, 2018, 12:14:39 am
Any special plans for painting the circles?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: jwood314 on April 10, 2018, 09:36:45 pm
Steve,

Looking great, but I have a huge problem with your model.  I counted all of your windows and you were missing 1 on the upper saucer.  If I were a better person I would point it out to you, but I figure you got this.   ;)

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 11, 2018, 08:20:33 am
Looking great, but I have a huge problem with your model.  I counted all of your windows and you were missing 1 on the upper saucer.  If I were a better person I would point it out to you, but I figure you got this.   ;)

You said I am only missing 1?! Whew! Good ! I won't tell you about the others then!! ;)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 11, 2018, 09:08:57 am
Greetings!

The light test looks great Steve.   I'm glad the bending of the engine supports turned out better for you.   Lookin' good.

Thanks, Shawn! I really want to see this ship lighted up! I just keep shooting myself in the foot while I'm doing it! :D

Water or oven same same.  I find the oven is great when you can clamp things in the desired shape.  Water probably allows you to hold things, which ain't so easy in the overn.   :P  For my current project I've thus far used the heat gun on the FO, but FO is not the same risk as structural parts!

Yeah, Scott, since I already had to pay the "stupid tax" for another kit for the part, I went with what I know. On the other hand, pun firmly intended, I did have beautifully red hands when I got done! :)
Another "stupid tax", ya know, that money you have to pay out because you were stupid, I smoked my Tenacontrols board while testing the lights. Ralph said its repairable, but I still have to pay for shipping, parts, and labor. :/

Must be more careful!


Quote
I have used this technique in Dental Lab for warped retainers, so I know how to do this without
ending up with a shrinky-dink on my hands.

Now there you go again with those fancy technical terms. ;)

Seriously nice work Steve. The saucer looks great all lit up.

Dan, nice to see you here again! What?! I thought "shrinky-dink" was a techinical term?!


Any special plans for painting the circles?

Star - "special" plans?! No. I would like to think that after masking my Protector almost anything should be easier.  ;)

But, as is my ususal habit, it may be more difficult than I think. Angryscifimodeler placed peices of masking tape where he wanted them and then, taking a sharp xacto knife, he cut the tape following the gridlines on the saucer.
I may have to experiment with the technique before I mix my paint, but I surmise the most difficult part will be trying to figure out which color to paint when. The color scheme I am thinking of using and for which I have already bought the paint
is light grey base coat, then medium grey with a touch of true blue, followed by dark gray with a hint of blue. The life pods will be closer to sand color, I think, than grey and then some detail painting last.

I am also concerned with my handeling of the saucer and the FO I have sticking out. I don't want to break them off at the hole as that would make them invisible when veiwing them from the side. So I will have to be extra cautious.
While Angryscifimodeler painted the saucer to completion and then laid it aside to finish the rest of the model, I may wait to paint the major parts together to avoid metamerism and variations of paint color that may occur if a block of time
where to exist between painting of the major parts.

Still thinking.

Thanks for the prompt!

I hope your builds are easy and trouble free!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on April 13, 2018, 05:42:29 pm
Hah!  When using these microscopic SMDs I smoke at least one per build!  Too bad about the Tena controls though, it probably cost a lot more than the SMD I killed on Wednesday.  Off to buy my first Arduinos!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on April 14, 2018, 08:34:45 pm
Greetings!

Any special plans for painting the circles?

Star - "special" plans?! No. I would like to think that after masking my Protector almost anything should be easier.  ;)

But, as is my ususal habit, it may be more difficult than I think. Angryscifimodeler placed peices of masking tape where he wanted them and then, taking a sharp xacto knife, he cut the tape following the gridlines on the saucer.
I may have to experiment with the technique before I mix my paint, but I surmise the most difficult part will be trying to figure out which color to paint when. The color scheme I am thinking of using and for which I have already bought the paint
is light grey base coat, then medium grey with a touch of true blue, followed by dark gray with a hint of blue. The life pods will be closer to sand color, I think, than grey and then some detail painting last.



Steve I had an idea for this that I haven't tried yet, if you would be interested. 

This circle cutter might be able to make some precise circular masks on frisket film, masking tape, or stencil film.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006HUJ0S/ref=asc_df_B0006HUJ0S5439661/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B0006HUJ0S&linkCode=df0&hvadid=219491607334&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12509597135874658015&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030458&hvtargid=pla-392986026905

I bought one of these this week to try to make a mask for the gold circle on the belly of the K'Tinga (but I havn't gotten to that point yet).
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 18, 2018, 07:44:10 am
Greetings!

Any special plans for painting the circles?

Star - "special" plans?! No. I would like to think that after masking my Protector almost anything should be easier.  ;)

But, as is my ususal habit, it may be more difficult than I think. Angryscifimodeler placed peices of masking tape where he wanted them and then, taking a sharp xacto knife, he cut the tape following the gridlines on the saucer.
I may have to experiment with the technique before I mix my paint, but I surmise the most difficult part will be trying to figure out which color to paint when. The color scheme I am thinking of using and for which I have already bought the paint
is light grey base coat, then medium grey with a touch of true blue, followed by dark gray with a hint of blue. The life pods will be closer to sand color, I think, than grey and then some detail painting last.



Steve I had an idea for this that I haven't tried yet, if you would be interested. 

This circle cutter might be able to make some precise circular masks on frisket film, masking tape, or stencil film.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006HUJ0S/ref=asc_df_B0006HUJ0S5439661/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B0006HUJ0S&linkCode=df0&hvadid=219491607334&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12509597135874658015&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030458&hvtargid=pla-392986026905

I bought one of these this week to try to make a mask for the gold circle on the belly of the K'Tinga (but I havn't gotten to that point yet).


Star, thanks for the technique and tip! Just curious, though. Do you know if it can cut circles as large as 7" in diameter? Since the saucer on this thing is roughly 8" in diameter, I figure I will need at least a 7" wide mask at best.

Let me know what you think.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on April 18, 2018, 07:15:36 pm
Star, thanks for the technique and tip! Just curious, though. Do you know if it can cut circles as large as 7" in diameter? Since the saucer on this thing is roughly 8" in diameter, I figure I will need at least a 7" wide mask at best.

Let me know what you think.

Steve

The cutter's diameter is variable between one and eight inches.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on April 19, 2018, 08:51:18 pm
I did a test cut with this today on some "Martha Stewart" adhesive stencil film. 



Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 20, 2018, 07:16:33 am
NICE! Thanks for the demo, Star!

I'm definitely going to go pick one up!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: neilfsmith on April 21, 2018, 03:28:30 pm
This is looking really great!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on April 21, 2018, 03:40:24 pm
I recently acquired an oval/circle cutter, and the minimum size it will cut is 3x4", so probably 1/1000 and bigger.  I'm guessing.  It's available on a loan basis if desired.  Most of the time it will just be sitting here....
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: greg on April 23, 2018, 12:10:36 am
IIRC, the instructions for this kit calls for Model Master Russian Flanker blue colors to paint the rings. These paints were available only in enamel and have since been discontinued. Testors has really scaled back on their Model Master enamel paints and are focusing more on their acrylics.

Tamiya has special flexible masking tape for curves. If I was to try cutting out a large disc, I am not sure if I could line it up right on the Enterprise. Y'know, me being a spaz and all.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 23, 2018, 08:38:18 am

Greetings Fellow Modelers!

I finally felt like I could put first glue on this project! More on that in a bit!


This is looking really great!

Thanks Neil! I was hoping to this one done for and IPMS show this weekend, but RL kinda hit me so that didn't happen. Still pushing forward!

I recently acquired an oval/circle cutter, and the minimum size it will cut is 3x4", so probably 1/1000 and bigger.  I'm guessing.  It's available on a loan basis if desired.  Most of the time it will just be sitting here....

Thanks Scott! I'll send you a PM about it! :)


IIRC, the instructions for this kit calls for Model Master Russian Flanker blue colors to paint the rings. These paints were available only in enamel and have since been discontinued. Testors has really scaled back on their Model Master enamel paints and are focusing more on their acrylics.

Tamiya has special flexible masking tape for curves. If I was to try cutting out a large disc, I am not sure if I could line it up right on the Enterprise. Y'know, me being a spaz and all.

Yeah, Greg, thanks for the heads up! Since I am not going with the "on-screen" painting scheme, I am not too concerned with the Russian Flanker blue colors. I took my artist wife
to the LHS and she helped me pick out the paints already. Hopefully, I have enough to finish. We'll see.

 
I have been working alot on the model, alot of planning and alot of internal lighting work. I have to send my board back for repairs, but I am still gonna wire it up as if I won't
smoke the next one, too.

During on the many light tests I am doing, I noticed the Bridge, or B/C deck, wasn't really showing like I would have liked. So I added yet another LED to the B/C deck; as shown.

Bridge Light
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/794/39838020890_41630c405b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23GmgF9)20180413_062648 (https://flic.kr/p/23GmgF9)



I was also able to re-apply primer to K-9's head (aka Impulse Engines), the Planetary Sensor, and the Deflector Dish. I let them set for nearly a week before I even touched them again. Lesson learned.
The Deflector dish is not exactly symetrical around the intaglio surface rim. I am not sure it will look correct when I get it painted so that may be a fin modification if it isn't.

K9
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/880/40754487555_314001d4b6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/256kphx)20180413_211957 (https://flic.kr/p/256kphx)

Deflector Dish
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/932/27777169308_45cc410b11_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JjzfGd)20180419_160038 (https://flic.kr/p/JjzfGd)



I worked on the stand was well. I needed to see if the nuts were going to sit flat against the hull and internally as well. I did some mods to the internal secondary hull to ensure
that would be the case. I also checked to see if the external nut will clear the secondary hull's ventral phaser array; it does. Whew!

Stand Work
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/863/40754467395_e9983c73df_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/256kihX)20180419_155227 (https://flic.kr/p/256kihX)


The primer on the nacelle supports finally set so I started placement of the wires for the nacelles. I wanted to have solder joints in the supports but there isn't enough room between the pieces to allow it.
So I had to run the wires and then solder the connections outside the part. Since these will go inside the secondary hull, I'mm not really worried about appearances.

Cable Management
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/921/27777170358_c6e1a31b79_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jjzg1j)20180422_194224 (https://flic.kr/p/Jjzg1j)


So here is the first glue on the project! Hurray! I know it may seem like a small milestone but after spending so much time planning and dry test fitting parts together to see if
I have accounted for most variables, I finally felt comfortable with gluing this piece closed! Yeay!

First Glue Nacelle Pylons
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/894/27777169858_d2d37ef15e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JjzfRG)20180423_042225 (https://flic.kr/p/JjzfRG)


I know it may seem like all I am doing at this point is light tests, but this is a cool pic that reminded me of the TOS Enterprise angle! Hope you like it!

Cool Pic Light test
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/866/27777169788_362451c2d0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JjzfQu)20180413_211149 (https://flic.kr/p/JjzfQu)


That's all for now.

Thanks for reading and commenting! I appreciate the feedback and support!

Good luck on your builds!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on April 23, 2018, 10:48:00 am
The light test looks awesome.  That is going to look really cool when you are done.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: jmilesmusicman on April 23, 2018, 07:44:58 pm
Hi Steve,

I'm loving this WIP! Thank you for all the creative brain food you are sending our way on this! I'm getting ready to start my E-C shortly and was wondering if you have a catalog of colors you are using on the paint job - sorry if I missed it earlier? Also, what brand of paints you are using. Again, thanks for the great WIP!

James
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on April 24, 2018, 07:08:36 am
Awesome!

Always nice to see hard work and determination paying off!

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on April 24, 2018, 01:25:24 pm
Steve, I laughed when you said you're just now putting glue to plastic after eight pages of posts!  Maybe on one of my next builds I'll omit the lighting and build the kit in say, an afternoon;)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 26, 2018, 07:35:23 am
Greetings All!

It is astounding in that writing out your thoughts and trying to answer questions about your build reveals potential "gotchas" to you! Some are "Oh! I See!" and others are "Oh, I see..." More below.

The light test looks awesome.  That is going to look really cool when you are done.

Shawn

Thanks, Shawn! That's the plan!



Awesome!

Always nice to see hard work and determination paying off!

Thanks, Spencer! It had better pay-off! This one seems to keep getting longer and longer - like my Protector did! AAAAgggaaaaahhhh! :D

Steve, I laughed when you said you're just now putting glue to plastic after eight pages of posts!  Maybe on one of my next builds I'll omit the lighting and build the kit in say, an afternoon;)

Al, Dude! Long time, no read! Whatcha buildin?! Yeah, I know. Sometimes I think I go into too much detail and post too often; especailly when I see others completing what seems like
three models to my one! ;D   I always intend not to make any mods and build OOB but, for some reason, (insanity?!) I can't seem to help myself. :D  As for you omitting lighting, uh...yeah...right! :)


Hi Steve,

I'm loving this WIP! Thank you for all the creative brain food you are sending our way on this! I'm getting ready to start my E-C shortly and was wondering if you have a catalog of colors you are using on the paint job - sorry if I missed it earlier? Also, what brand of paints you are using. Again, thanks for the great WIP!

James

James, Thanks and Welcome to the thread! Thanks also for your kind words!

You pose an interesting question that will take most of this post to answer! (Forgive me Al! :)  )

I am not doing the Flanker Russian Blue scheme as shown on the studio models and as recommended by the model's painting instructions.

I am going for this overall look, though:

(http://shipyard.scifi-art.com/sfa_1701-c_top.jpg) (http://shipyard.scifi-art.com/sfa_1701-c_top.jpg)

I like the subtle paint scheme here rather than the, IMHO, "cartoonish" paint scheme used on the studio model. I think I will have to mix in some "purple" to blue up the grey; I hope. I want to keep the color shifts within the same pallet/family. There will be the accent colors i.e. insignia yellow, outlines of red - so it won't be flat. At least that's the plan.


To achieve this, I took my artist spouse to the LHS and came home with the following.


OVERALL BASE COLOR = Model Master Enamel Paint - Light Ghost Gray - 1728 ("B" on the instructions sheet)

LT GRAY INDICATIONS = Model Master Acryl Paint - Dark Gray - 4754 ("D" on the instructions sheet)

DK GRAY INDICATIONS = Model Master Enamel Paint - Dark Gull Gray - 1740 ("E" on the instructions sheet)

ESCAPE PODS, WHITE SQUARES = Model Master Acryl Paint - Sand - 4720 Sand ("A" on the instructions sheet)



Although, and this is what I was writing about earlier, while putting this list together, I realized half my paints are Acrylic and the other are Enamel. AAAAAggggaaahhhh!

I could so a bit more thinking and see if the colors I have can be laid down in such a way as to avoid the orange skin texture - not sure I wanna do that. I will probably end up using acrylic only to avoid any potential disasters.

Welp, back to the LHS!

Steve




Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Tankton on April 26, 2018, 10:27:44 am
If you let your acrylics cure then seal with a clear coat you can put the enamels over them with no problems.
Just don't put them directly on the acrylics with out something in between.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 26, 2018, 10:34:07 am
If you let your acrylics cure then seal with a clear coat you can put the enamels over them with no problems.
Just don't put them directly on the acrylics with out something in between.

A clear coat of what? Future? Thats acrylic and, in my limited experience may do the same thing.

Really askin here.

Bewildered in Houston.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on April 26, 2018, 11:27:37 am
You can put acrylic over enamels, but enamel over acrylic is generally frowned upon.

But ... as always, it depends. I've had zero problems painting MM Enamel over Tamiya and vice versa. Tamiya contains Isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) and glycol ethers.
MM Acryl also has glycol ethers in it too, so it isn't purely water based and I would assume the behavior would be similar.

As Tankton said, let things fully cure, even if it is days ... and test your layers on some scrap if you're really invested in a particular color.
And, spray in light coats. Can't really stress that enough!

A clear coat can protect paint between layers. Krylon satin or matte clears come to mind (something with "tooth" for subsequent layers). No problems
with those going over cured Future, but, I'd test it.

Spencer

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Tankton on April 26, 2018, 03:51:44 pm


A clear coat of what? Future? Thats acrylic and, in my limited experience may do the same thing.

Really askin here.

Bewildered in Houston.

I use Krylon matte finish or if I want a gloss I will use Testors decal bonder. Never had a problem with those. I won't use Rustoleum because I use Model Masters Enamels and they don't play well with Rustoleum.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on April 27, 2018, 07:28:50 am
Doing your base coat in enamel is fine for acrylic paints to be put on top of it.   That color is also available in acrylic if you want.
The dark ghost gray is available in acrylic.  However if your base coat is enamel, you won't gave a problem putting enamel on enamel.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: jmilesmusicman on April 27, 2018, 08:50:48 pm
Thanks for the reply, Steve. I agree with the cartoonish look of some of the suggested colors. There are a number of builds out there of people who I really respect but don't like the color pallet choices they use for the E-C. The more divergent the color tones are on these large ships, the more out of scale the resulting build looks. I've been using the Acrylic Model Air paints from Vallejo with great results. They take the pain away from airbrushing for me and are super easy to clean up. I'll look up those colors you gave and see what the Vallejo equivalents are and see how they look. I'm looking forward to following your build. Thanks!!

James
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Madhatter on April 28, 2018, 03:08:25 am
From my experience, it's only an issue when you spray lacquer over enamel that creates problems. Even lacquer over acrylic is OK so long as the acrylic is fully dry. How I understand it, both enamel and lacquers are both "hot" paints where as acrylic isn't (although I am very happy to be wrong about that)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 14, 2018, 02:41:44 pm
Hailing Frequencies Open!

Thanks, Ladies and Gents, for the sound advice on the windows and the painting! Sometimes, most times in fact, I feel like I am still very new to this hobby and still have so much to learn.

I'm gonna go with what I have just making sure everything is well-cured before I proceed!

I am trying not to post too much and depite the length of time between posts and the work I have been doing, I feel like the forward progress is marginal at best. But, pressing on!


I finally felt like I could seal the saucer up. So I to a hypodemic needle, filled it with Tamiya extra fine cement and sqeezed it into the seam.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/981/28239101488_d4f874c200_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K2oM39)20180506_200128 (https://flic.kr/p/K2oM39)


I then went wild with the clothes pens (clothes pegs for our UK friends!) and clamps trying to get as good a seal as possible.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/831/42066143972_d2b4489dd0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/276eZ3m)20180509_172622 (https://flic.kr/p/276eZ3m).

I am experiencing the same bonding issues that I did with the Protector as the paint and the primer are interferring with the bonding properties of the cement. I may have to use
CA or expoxy to get it to seat and seal properly.


I then spent the weekend attaching and testing these, or lets call them connectors, to the wires I had run through the various attachements. I am hoping that, if all goes to plan,
the connectors will make it eaiser to assemble the model and hook up the power to the correct circuits to make everything work.I did a light test on the secondary hull and all went well. I am a little gunshy
about hooking up the TenaControl board as I smoked the last one. I have the replacement (Thanks, Ralph!!) and I don't want over do it. But I should before I seal it up and then something doesn't work!

Oh well!

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/950/42066144062_c5fe3f0c91_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/276eZ4U)20180512_214439 (https://flic.kr/p/276eZ4U)

Here is a shot of the Nacelles being attached.YES, I did pull out my levels to check that everything was copacetic with the placement.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/907/40304978650_74cfcc680d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24pBxX1)20180513_204840 (https://flic.kr/p/24pBxX1)


I should have the secondary hull sealed up and ready for the mounting stand "maybe" this weekend; depending. (More like hoping!)

From there I hope to build the display stand, the rest of the nacelles and being painting the saucer.

Wish me luck!

Hailing frequencies closed!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on May 14, 2018, 07:04:45 pm
Closing up that saucer is a big deal, Steve!  Nice to see things are moving along well. 
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on May 15, 2018, 08:10:00 am
The close pegs look awesome mate, but it might have been better to use a batch of giant green hands.  (Yeah... not sure where that came from).  Anyway, looking really cool.  That will be done before you know it.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on May 15, 2018, 08:34:25 am
Looking good.  I applaud your gray choices as those are readily obtainable and subtly different from each other.  Always looking forward to another update on your work!

BTW, what are your lighting plans?  I noticed three pairs from each nacelle and several from the saucer.  Nav lights and such in addition to bussards/chillers/deck lighting?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 16, 2018, 07:38:33 am
Greetings!

Closing up that saucer is a big deal, Steve!  Nice to see things are moving along well. 

Thanks, Al! Yeah, it is! Another "finally"! At least, I hope it is!  ;D

...but it might have been better to use a batch of giant green hands.  (Yeah... not sure where that came from).


You're not...sure....?!?!? DUDE! How could you not be sure?! I'm sorry. You have lost geek/nerd points.  ;)

"Green hands" are from the ST:TOS episode 31 "Who Mourns for Adonais?". *sigh*  ;) ;) ;D ;D

Looking good.  I applaud your gray choices as those are readily obtainable and subtly different from each other.  Always looking forward to another update on your work!

BTW, what are your lighting plans?  I noticed three pairs from each nacelle and several from the saucer.  Nav lights and such in addition to bussards/chillers/deck lighting?

Thanks, Scott! I appreciate your kind words! Yep, good eye! While I was at and IPMS Regional show in San Antonio, I met Ralph from TenaControls and he sold me a board that included Federation style strobes and Nav blinkies. And, as you may know, I'm not shooting for on screen accuracy - more of a fantasized version of the ship. So, yeah, you got it! The three leads (six wires) coming from the saucer and the nacelles are 1) for the "steady on" LEDs 2) the strobe LEDs and 3) the Nav LEDs.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/27277546257_e3cc4e7e4f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HyqyaF)Lighting plan - base (https://flic.kr/p/HyqyaF)

Once I get the display stand built, I'm gonna place the board in the stand and hopefully wire it all up correctly.

Thanks, guys, for the support! Stay tuned for more exciting updates!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on May 16, 2018, 07:56:28 am
Thank you for correcting my improper etiquette on the green hands issue.  Hahaha.   It's funny, but I don't know any of the episode names, except maybe 5 or 6 of them.  All the rest, I have no clue.  I pretty much know every line in each show too, but not the names.  I'm the same with the James Bond movies.  I've seen all of them tons of times, but have no idea what the names are.   Maybe I need one of the those brain machines like Bones used on that one episode when they stole Spocks brain.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Quarky on May 18, 2018, 02:05:32 pm
Looking gooooooddd!!!

Great job!!

Cheers
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on May 18, 2018, 08:19:30 pm
"Once I get the display stand built, I'm gonna place the board in the stand and hopefully wire it all up correctly. "

Just don't forget the resistors!!!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 30, 2018, 07:25:18 pm
Greetings my Fellow Modelers!

In looking at my thread, it's been about two weeks since my last post. I was just holding off until I had something significant to post; and
since I had a long weekend just past - I do! Hurray!

Shawn, as far as watching the shows and knowing their names of Star Trek TOS, I am THAT guy; yeah, the weird one who owes (should I admit this on an open forum?!)
VHS copies, Bootleg DVD copies, remastered DVD set, and the remastered Blu-rey sets. Plus several iterations of the TOS cast movies (VHS and DVD). The only reason I
don't have the Blu-rey set is because I haven't found it yet! :D

Thanks, Quarky! Just don't look too close! :D


"Once I get the display stand built, I'm gonna place the board in the stand and hopefully wire it all up correctly. "

Just don't forget the resistors!!!

I KNOW, RIGHT?! Luckily, I didn't forget - this time!

Right.

I tried to close up the saucer, as you saw, but the adhesive didn't bond through the paint and primer and when I went to pick it up it popped the entire seam out!
So I scraped the paint off and tried again. I also glued the secondary hull together. I'd decided I was going to use a threaded lamp pipe as
my display stand holder, thingy. The pic shows it with the nacelle supports in place. I did this to try and prevent warping the two halves while gluing them.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1760/41561119295_dc9178c474_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26jBANk)20180523_222011 (https://flic.kr/p/26jBANk)

While the Primary Hull (PH) and the secondary hull (SH) set, I also placed one of the lamp nuts inside the secondary hull. I'm not sure I have a pic of it, but prior
to cementing the two halves together, I dry fitted the nut inside the SH. While dry fitting, I carved a seat for the hexagonal shaped nut. Then I used some gorilla snot
to glue the nut securely in place.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1724/41561122345_8ea991b91a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26jBBGV)20180524_195949 (https://flic.kr/p/26jBBGV)

I did this so I can mount it later on a temp mount, built it to a point and then take it apart and mount it on the real display stand.

Then I started on the nacelles themselves. I built the LEDs (remember I have about 1400 of the little beggers I got for Christmas; another reason I didn't use SMD strips!) and placed them in the lower half. I also built a divide for the Bussard Collector Red LEDs to prevent as much light leak as possible. Both of these are the "Steady on" lights, so they are hooked to the same circuit as the main ships lights.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1751/28591036918_55684e4a08_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kyuxbo)20180525_144654 (https://flic.kr/p/Kyuxbo)

Then I placed some 0.10mm styrene to further diffuse the blue lights and threaded the upper half Nav and Strobe light wires through the blue DLM parts.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/893/27593305967_44a8e4f6d0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J3jUwB)20180525_171729 (https://flic.kr/p/J3jUwB)

I then pre-masked the DLM parts so I wouldn't have to worry about it later.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/873/41561121275_8fc1f81f06_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26jBBot)20180525_154927 (https://flic.kr/p/26jBBot)

I spent some time making the LEDs and the Fiber Optics (FO) for the upper half of the nacelle. I did a variation on a theme from scottminium. The coffee stirrers fit very snugly over the 3mm LEDs. So I slid them on, then formed the FO to the length and shape I needed and placed the end of the FO in the coffee stick and used some white gorilla glue to hold it all in place.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/882/28591033068_3de3cd57dc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kyuw31)20180527_201851 (https://flic.kr/p/Kyuw31)

Et voila! It seems to work! I covered the whole thing with tulip paint and glued the nacelles together.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1752/41561119685_3b40094dd8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26jBAV4)20180528_081108 (https://flic.kr/p/26jBAV4)

A light test later and I seated the Red DLM bussard collectors and I had glowing Nacelles! Hurray!

I built a temporary display stand (maybe "Work stand" would be a better term!) and mounted the SH on it.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1760/41561120515_257ae975e7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26jBBan)20180525_172536 (https://flic.kr/p/26jBBan)

Then I slid the nacelle support into the SH and, sorry guys, I took some beauty shots!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1730/27593301987_71449fe694_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J3jTkZ)20180528_224624 (https://flic.kr/p/J3jTkZ)

Well, it went down hill from there. I propped the PH up on a Round 2 display stand I had and hooked it all together. The I just threaded the PH wires through the SH and hooked it all up!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/42413089432_ce2a401afc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27BUaQC)20180529_185308 (https://flic.kr/p/27BUaQC)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/885/28591039548_0422c4e2d6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KyuxXJ)20180529_184730 (https://flic.kr/p/KyuxXJ)


Well, that's all for now! I now have some sanding and finishing to do and then on to the painting.

Thanks for following along with me! Any tips, comments, or suggestions for improvement will be greatly appreciated.

Till next time,

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on May 30, 2018, 08:16:07 pm
That thing is looking good!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: RockyD88 on May 31, 2018, 09:01:06 am
That looks awesome, I am digging on the lighting :)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on May 31, 2018, 06:49:25 pm
Looking great!  Saw this kit in a hobby store yesterday and seriously thought about adding it to the (ever growing!) stash.  I had fun tweaking some arduino code to simulate the nav lights and strobes, maybe a knock off of what Tena sells.

This ship is looking great Steve.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on June 01, 2018, 07:41:02 am
That is cool about all the Star Trek stuff you have Steve.  A true fan.


The ship is looking great.   The lighting is fantastic.  Way to go!

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on June 02, 2018, 05:58:34 am
The window lighting looks really crisp, Steve!  I see you used styrene sheet to further diffuse the DLM parts -- was it because the color in the clear blue part was uneven, or were you trying to remove the "bulb effect" from the LED strip lights?  In fact, I'm trying to decide whether to sand, frost paint or add a diffuser to my Maquis clear DLM parts.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 02, 2018, 03:58:27 pm
Hey Guys (and Ladies!)

Star and Rocky, thanks for the words of praise! It's nice to know other builders appreciate my work!  ;D

Looking great!  Saw this kit in a hobby store yesterday and seriously thought about adding it to the (ever growing!) stash.  I had fun tweaking some arduino code to simulate the nav lights and strobes, maybe a knock off of what Tena sells.

This ship is looking great Steve.

Scott, thanks, Dude! I would love to see what you can do with this kit! Bet it would be awesome!

I took come Java classes in college as part of my computer courses and, in looking at Arduino's programming language, it looks very familar. I started to look into it, too, once I burned up a TenaControls board. I love his kits, BTW, but it would be cool to program my own. OT, I would love to make a 1/350 refit program that comes alive like the TMP prelaunch sequence; all timed to the music. THAT is my goal for model building and programming!)

The window lighting looks really crisp, Steve!  I see you used styrene sheet to further diffuse the DLM parts -- was it because the color in the clear blue part was uneven, or were you trying to remove the "bulb effect" from the LED strip lights?  In fact, I'm trying to decide whether to sand, frost paint or add a diffuser to my Maquis clear DLM parts.

Al, I added the styrene to try and further defuse the engine LEDs. I scuffed up the LEDs and, even with the scuffed LEDS and DLM parts, the "spotlight" showed through. The windows are crisp because they are simple holes in the ship. In my TOS Romulan BoP and Protector, I placed thin styrene behind the windows to spread the light, but it made masking with liquid masking fluid and painting them very difficult.

For the C, I'm gonna leave them open and then, after painting, I'm going to use Krystal Klear to fill in the windows. Either that or Elmers white school glue. I haven't decided yet - I need to do some testing.

Just so this isn't an all writing post, in between filling holes and defects with putty, I started cutting out the badge/insignia that's gonna go on the display stand. I am using 0.40mm flat sheet styrene as the source material. I hope to paint it tomorrow and assemble it soon.

Here's the cut outs:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1760/42470289632_1a7ac4be20_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27GXksY)For the EC display stand. (https://flic.kr/p/27GXksY)

This will be a nice distraction while the putty sets.

Lemme know what you think!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 04, 2018, 07:51:38 am
And now, with color (or paint - your choice! :)  )

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1742/42506406262_7417950e11_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27L9rFu)For the display stand. (https://flic.kr/p/27L9rFu)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: jwood314 on June 04, 2018, 09:51:45 pm
Looking great!

Random question, how do you like using those Irwin clamps?  Were you ever afraid of over clampage?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 05, 2018, 12:25:31 pm
Looking great!

Random question, how do you like using those Irwin clamps?  Were you ever afraid of over clampage?

Thanks James!

As for the Irwin Clamps - I kinda like them. I think they allow me to apply the amount of pressure I want rather than the pre-selected clamping strength of a clothes pen or black and orange clamp. When I am using the Irwins, I now know to make sure the model either rests on the clamp itself or the model is supported in such a way as it doesn't bear the weight of the Irwin.

If I could find smaller ones, I would use them. But Lowe's doesn't seem to make them smaller. (Humm....maybe I should look on the Irwin site. humm...)

Anyway, good question.

Thanks for following along.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: incubus35 on June 16, 2018, 11:08:02 am
Wow Steve! This has come on leaps and bounds. Your patience with the windows reminds me of my first build (Voyager) - now that was painful, as it was all done with a pin vice drill, before I got my Dremel :s Yours look so much cleaner!

I'm going to have a look for some of those Irwin Clamps in the U.K. too!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on June 17, 2018, 09:47:59 am
one thought to diffuse light--a small tuft of cotton.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: deckem_17 on June 28, 2018, 11:45:11 am
Hey Steve

Angryscifimodeler here. I just wanted to say that your build is looking great! I'm glad that I could lend some inspiration!

Keep up the good work, I'll be following this closely.

Remember, when all else fails, swear really loudly!

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: jwood314 on June 28, 2018, 06:34:13 pm
Steve,

I bought 4 Dewalt 4.5 inch clamps from Home Depot, love them, I need to get another 4 or 6 though.  Thanks for the feedback on the clamps!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 29, 2018, 08:57:17 am
Wow Steve! This has come on leaps and bounds. Your patience with the windows reminds me of my first build (Voyager) - now that was painful, as it was all done with a pin vice drill, before I got my Dremel :s Yours look so much cleaner!

I'm going to have a look for some of those Irwin Clamps in the U.K. too!

Thanks, Pete! I'm glad you liked the thread and the feedback on the clamps!

one thought to diffuse light--a small tuft of cotton.

Scott, Yeah, I probably should have tried to tone down the brightness a bit but I have already sealed the engines and secondary hull. :/

Deckem_17 (Angryscifimodeler) Wow! Thanks for the dropping by and for all the kind words! I haven't gotten to the swearing point on this build yet, but, if I do, I may draw inspiration from you on that front, too! :D

Steve,

I bought 4 Dewalt 4.5 inch clamps from Home Depot, love them, I need to get another 4 or 6 though.  Thanks for the feedback on the clamps!

Cheers,
James

James, glad you like 'em! I kinda used them for a lot of things; not just building models!

Sorry for the long quite spell; RL had kept me engaged (Didja see what I did there?!) and I haven't had time to post updates.

Worry not! I have pictures of progress and hope to be posting soon!

Thanks for your continued interest!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 29, 2018, 04:11:43 pm
Post 20180629

Hello Fellow Modelers!

Sorry it's been a minute since I last posted but RL has me hopping and not hopping to the bench!

Nonetheless, I have made some progress and have taken some pics to show you! :)


I decided it was time to place the Impulse Engines on the secondary hull. The red spacer is a bit of coffee stirrer I used to maintain alignment of the seams. I'll have to fill
the seams and sand them, but this is one piece closer to final!

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/918/42376687684_d1a252c2a2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27yFASh)20180606_192332 (https://flic.kr/p/27yFASh)

I am noticing that it seems to take me a year to build a model start to finish. If so, then, considering the amount of models in my stash, I should be finished by the time I'm 90 y.o.! :D


I seated the Main Engines as well and masked them out, too. I still have to fill the gaps with putty and sand them indiscernable, but at least they are on!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1764/28226070677_e2020802cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K1eZqZ)20180604_222537 (https://flic.kr/p/K1eZqZ)

The thing/step/process that had kept me busy and not posting is the choosing of the colors. As I have written before, I wasn't too thrilled with the egg-shell colors others have painted the ship. Their builds are beautiful in the final form and their processes are inspirational and are ultimately the artist's form of expression unique to themselves. However, I feel Star Fleet is, at worst, a para-military organization
and at best, military organization much like the combined braches of the US Armed Forces. And, other than the most famous and notable exception of the USS Lexington (CV-16), The Blue Ghost, the ships do not have egg-shell colors painted on them; much less "cartoony-type" colors. This is my opinion and that and 50 cents won't even get you a cup of coffee. But as the builder, I will follow a more monochromatic paint
scheme which I feel lends more gravitas to the ships when they roll up on an opponent.

So I spent a considerable amount of time trying to find "my" colors. Man, I must have annoyed the patience out of my artist family (5 in the family) with texts and phone calls asking them what they
thought of the schema. I finally got us all to agree on a scheme and I started mixing paint. I am using acrylic for the colors as I am trying to avoid issues with the paint overs. The following shots are
showing my attempts to visualize the colors on a ship!

There are better builders than me on here who can immediately visualize the colors of a ship from a swatch of color on a piece of paper. I am not so gifted. So I painted spares that I had on hand
with some of my color tests.

Paint Test Dorsal
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/28226073267_df4fe04a63_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K1f1cD)20180610_181618 (https://flic.kr/p/K1f1cD)

Paint test compare Ventral
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At first, I was trying to go with a bluish/grey tint of color but that proved very problematic. So I decided, especially after comparing the colors against my TOS E, That I should
go with more of a grey color pallet.

I ran out of spare models and made my own Paint test disc. At least I could better see how the colors would look on a ship.
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Once I had narrowed down the choices, I pulled out a spare C saucer I had and painted it to see the final color. (Also, because it was even begun yet, I can still immerse it in stripper
and get it back to original plastic without any issues.)

Paint test spare 1
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Final Paint Test spare 2
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Once I had all the colors mixed and ready, I painted the model with the base color. It may look white or very light in the shots but the camera, despite my best intentions and interventions
seems to want to wash it out, but it is actually a nice shade of light grey. The second color is a darker grey, closer to the TOS E I showed earlier, and the final third color will be a dark blue as
shown on the test spare saucer.

Masking for second color
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Painting Second Color
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I still have a ways to go on the ship, sanding and painting, but I hope to get the saucer completed, mostly, so I can put it away and try to prevent any more damage to it from handling.

Thanks for tuning in and following along! Your comments and support are greatly appreciated!

Till next time,

Keep you paint on the model and your glue in the seams!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: RockyD88 on June 30, 2018, 01:07:27 pm
that paint scheme looks awesome, cant wait to se it finished. :)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on July 13, 2018, 08:20:29 am

Greetings Builders!

that paint scheme looks awesome, cant wait to se it finished. :)

Thanks, Rocky! I kinda like it myself!



It's been a while since I last posted, but I have been a bit busy with masking and painting - like many others here!

I added more tape to paint the blue highlights (third color). It almost seems like "Why show masking?! We all do it!" Yeah, but it's really tough work! I was almost getting flash
backs of my Protector work! I probably will when I finally get to the secondary hull and warp nacelles!

Masking Dorsal - blue
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I finally got the blue painted on both sides. Then came the tedious chore of adding MORE masking to paint the lifepods. Woohoo!

Masking pods Ventral
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2 minutes of painting later...

Paint pods ventral
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Painting pods Dorsal
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And here is the unmasking. Yeah, I have some touchups to do, including the B/C deck lifepods, but this is still a milestone to getting this done!

Reveal Ventral
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Reveal Dorsal
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I am happy with the colors, but I am concerned about the "flat" look of it. I will be adding a clear sealant on it, which should help, but, for now, I am just happy to get a majority of the paint for the saucer on the saucer!

Thanks as always for looking! Comments and constructive critisims are always appreciated!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on July 13, 2018, 09:00:01 am
Looking fantastic.  Your masking job was excellent!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: RockyD88 on July 13, 2018, 10:33:49 am
its very rewarding when you peel off that masking and see a nice crisp line, looks fantastic :)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on July 13, 2018, 02:47:44 pm
Ditto what's below.
I'm really liking how this it turning out!

One thing you can do is use some of that white tissue packing paper for gift bags to cover up larger surfaces and not go through as much tape.
Depends on the size of the model and how you layer things ...

Keep it up!

Spencer
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: TK Iain on July 13, 2018, 03:29:17 pm
Holy crap Steve.

That is just awesome.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on July 13, 2018, 03:58:38 pm
Looks awesome Steve.  Not sure how I missed this update. 

Looks like you are close to wrapping this one up.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on July 13, 2018, 05:29:22 pm
Looks great, Steve.  The colors are perfect, the painting is excellent and I kinda like the "flat" look as you call it.

You'll soon be adding another wonderfully built starship to your collection. 
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on July 13, 2018, 09:05:19 pm
Looking good!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: jwood314 on July 13, 2018, 10:46:40 pm
:)
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: ImWolf on July 16, 2018, 01:06:28 pm
NOT SHABBY!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on July 17, 2018, 07:36:59 am
Thanks, Gents, for the awesome comments!!

Looking fantastic.  Your masking job was excellent!

Thanks, Scott! I had lots of practice on the Protector! :D I still have alot to do.

its very rewarding when you peel off that masking and see a nice crisp line, looks fantastic :)

Rocky88, Yes! Yes, it is!

Ditto what's below.
I'm really liking how this it turning out!

One thing you can do is use some of that white tissue packing paper for gift bags to cover up larger surfaces and not go through as much tape.
Depends on the size of the model and how you layer things ...

Spencer, it think I know what you are talking about. Usually, I use printer paper to mask larger areas - hadn't thought of tissue paper. (Hum...there is a quotable movie line in there methinks!) :D

Holy crap Steve.

That is just awesome.

Thanks, Mate! I am hoping the rest of the ship comes out as well or better!

Looks awesome Steve.  Not sure how I missed this update. 

Looks like you are close to wrapping this one up.

Shawn

Shawn, I wish!! No, this is just the saucer. I still have the rest of the ship to go. I think I am going to break open the nacelles and see what I can do to tone down the brightness. Looking back at some of the light test pictures, the engines seem to overwhelm the rest of the ship's lights. Serious planning will have to go into that before I crack them back open.

Looks great, Steve.  The colors are perfect, the painting is excellent and I kinda like the "flat" look as you call it.

You'll soon be adding another wonderfully built starship to your collection. 


Thanks, Al! The "flat look" is growing on me. Dunno, not close enough to start thinking about it yet...i think... ;)

starsiegeplayer, jwood314, and ImWolf - thanks for the kind words!

As I was saying above, i still have some more work to do on the ship and even the saucer. This ship is succumbing to my modeler's OCD and reinforcing my reputation for turning a simple build complex! :D  Anyway, with summer here and the spousal-unit getting a summer clearance bug, it may be a bit before I can get back to the bench. I will still lurk, though; as always.


One question for the group - and I may post on the question section - the wires for the LEDs keep breaking. It doesn't matter how much solder, whether or not the wire is solid core or stranded, it keeps breaking away - and to complicate matters, further and further inside the model where soldering may be damaging to the model. Any ideas?

Thanks for the comments and the help!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on July 19, 2018, 07:52:53 pm
Hmmmm.  I've had similar problems with solder in the past.  There a few things I have tried: cleaning the soldering iron tip, 'wicking' away solder on the wire, and twisting wires before soldering after doing one and two.  Can you post any pics of what is going on?
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: ImWolf on July 20, 2018, 06:01:13 am
One question for the group - and I may post on the question section - the wires for the LEDs keep breaking. It doesn't matter how much solder, whether or not the wire is solid core or stranded, it keeps breaking away - and to complicate matters, further and further inside the model where soldering may be damaging to the model. Any ideas?

(brittle) breaking wires suggests to me that your iron is bit too hot? This would also destroy smaller LED's as well though, so not sure exactly what you're seeing. At any rate, if you're concerned about soldering close to styrene you might consider using "Performix Liquid Tape" instead of soldering....  Just give your connections a good wrap and brush this liquid rubber on the joint and you should have a very dependable connection.

Wolf
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on July 26, 2018, 05:16:36 pm
Steve, as the other guys have said, it's kind of difficult to diagnose the problem but here's a link to a good adafruit article on "common soldering problems".  You might find it helpful:

https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-guide-excellent-soldering/common-problems
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on July 27, 2018, 07:34:25 am
These are my soldering rules.
1) Clean tip, properly silvered before shutting down.
2) Twist wires together.  A good mechanical connection is the first line of defense.
3) let the iron heat the wires at the joint, and the wires melt the solder.  This way you avoid the unreliable "cold solder."
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on July 28, 2018, 03:42:41 pm
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the tips and recommendations. I guess I was getting the soldering iron a little bit too hot and I haven't been twisting the wires either. Thanks again.

Apologies for not responding quickly as RL had slammed me hard the past few weeks. Work has really picked up leaving me little time to "appear busy". Thi is good as my job isn't in jeopardy at the moment so, yeay me! :)

But it does seem though that the wire is experiencing fatigue rather than a failure of the solder joint. Here are a couple of the pics I took just to show you the situation; as requested.

This one is to get you oriented to where the solder/wire failed and the space I have in which to work.
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This one shows the solder joint. The red heat shrink I am holding with the instrument is the resistor and the end is where the wire fatigued and broke. The other end is near the tip of the tool and it looks to be stranded.

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I thought I had covered and supported the wire well enough but, as mentioned above, I didn't go the extra steps to make sure they stayed supported. Some other factors I noticed were that the resistor end doesn't give; it is a solid core wire. The wire I attempted to solder to it was stranded and very flexibile.

As I noted in my original question, the wire fatigue seems to happen at the solder joint and it doesn't seem to matter if both are stranded or both are solid core or a combination of the two; they all seem to break there.

I think I will try and reduce the styrene from the model and free up some more wire from the model in order to strip the cover back and attempt to re-solder; following the tips mentioned here.

Let me know what you think or if you can suggest alternate methods of supporting the wires during assembly and painting.

Also, i could use an alligator clip as a heat sink for the resistor and the wires but for the other wires and styrene close by, it there an "asbestos-like" sheet I could lay down over the model or other wires to protect them during the soldering process?

You advice and recommendations are invaluable and greatly appreciated!

Thanks, as always, for the help!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on July 30, 2018, 12:25:56 pm
Okay, so, while Mrs. MSgtUSAFRet napped yesterday, I discovered that I wouldn't be able to solder the saucer dorsal strobe wires without some serious gymnastics and cutting of the saucer, I noticed one of the green Nav lights was out.

Well, Farglecarb!

So I made the difficult decision to pop the saucer and have a lookie loo. The wires had snapped off the LED. I stripped the wire and twisted the end around the LED lead and, using the low temp setting on the soldering iron, I drew the solder to the joint. I did the same thing on the strobe leads and fixed it while I had her open.

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Now I have to re-cement, re-putty, and re-paint her saucer. I guess I needed the practice. :/

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I also cracked open the engines and did some playing with further toning down the lights. Since I don't have any pictures of that yet, it will have to be another post.

Thanks again for looking!

Steve



Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: TK Iain on July 30, 2018, 02:33:50 pm
Nice repair job mate.

It really sucks when something fails right after you have sealed up a particular section of a model but if this hobby (which will lead us all to an early grave via the local asylum)didn't throw these "problems" at us from time to time it wouldn't be fun.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on July 30, 2018, 04:45:01 pm
Steve, Iain is right -- where would we be if we didn't have these problems, er, challenges!  You'll be happy you made the repair after it's sitting pretty in your shop or office.  Chin up and keep going!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: deckem_17 on July 30, 2018, 06:35:11 pm
Hmmmmm opening up a model when something fails..... sounds familiar..... Too familiar!
Guess you're taking more than just inspiration from my builds  ;)

But from what I can see of your wires, it looks like the wires are heating up too much to break around the solder joint.

When you heat copper (or steel or most metals actually) you accelerate the oxidization process (rust for steel). This weakens the metal making it more likely to break from small amounts of fatigue as there is now less rust-free metal at that spot.

I suppose a quick trick to prevent it from breaking if you can't avoid over-heating the wire would be (if you got the room of course) to smother the joint (before and after the solder) with hot glue and bond it to the model. But I'm sure there are better solutions out there.



Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on July 30, 2018, 08:05:07 pm
Opening it up to save the day...brave!  I don't envy the repainting, but it was awesome the first time and I am sure you will rock it the second time!

I follow most of StarSeige's rules, followed up with tugging and testing and then sealing in liquid electrical tape.  But nothing will save you from a mechanical 'crunch.'   :o
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: trekriffic on July 31, 2018, 01:01:11 pm
After soldering the joint I like to cover it with Liquid Electrical Tape. For strain relief I use hot glue to afix the wires to the inside of the model near the joint. No flexing means no breaking!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on August 01, 2018, 08:48:40 am
Way to go Steve.  What an effort.  It certainly had to be done but looks like a real pain.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on August 01, 2018, 06:07:08 pm
Gents, Thanks for the kind words and encouragements! Posts like this are the main reason I post so often on this site; great people and great builds!

Nice repair job mate.

It really sucks when something fails right after you have sealed up a particular section of a model but if this hobby (which will lead us all to an early grave via the local asylum) didn't throw these "problems" at us from time to time it wouldn't be fun.

Well, they always present a challenge, that's for sure, Iain!

You'll be happy you made the repair after it's sitting pretty in your shop or office.  Chin up and keep going!
Yeah, it will - if I ever get it done! :)

@AngrySFModeler, @Scott, and @Steve - I am reallly going to have to check out this liquid electrical tape. It would solve alot of issues with taping stuff up!I am going to go back and hot glue the
joints and LEDs to the saucer. Thanks for the tip!

@Shawn, yeah it was a pain; especially since it took so much to get it sealed, sanded, and puttied.

So, I was trying to think of ways to tone down the light in the engines. I finally decided to put some Tulip puff paint on the ends of the LEDs. Its seems to have worked as the light is very indirect!

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Plus, if you draw a half circle underneath the LEDs, it kinda looks like a smiley face! :)


A few suggestions of stuffing cotton in there so I did that with the STBD engine.
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I tried to get a pic of the difference between the cotton stuffed engine and the non-cotton stuffed engine. It didn't work out too well but you might be able to tell that the Bussard collector isn't a flood light any more. ;)
subdued
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Ah, well. Still pressing forward.

I'm getting an itch to get this done to get to my next project - a 350 TOS E!

Which means I need to get this one done! :D

Thanks again for the tips, the encouragements, and posts!

Ya'all ROCK!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: pakratt840 on August 01, 2018, 09:25:54 pm
Looks good Steve! I like the cotton idea for the Bussards. I'm experimenting with the same thing for my 1/1400 Enterprise E. Haven't decided yet, but am leaning that way. As for cracking open a model after sealing it up to fix a wiring mishap, I'm still terrified to try it for fear of making a bad situation many times worse. Everyone has their hobby phobias. Glad to see that's not one of yours and you were able to recover and move forward again.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on August 02, 2018, 07:36:58 am
As for cracking open a model after sealing it up to fix a wiring mishap, I'm still terrified to try it for fear of making a bad situation many times worse. Everyone has their hobby phobias. Glad to see that's not one of yours and you were able to recover and move forward again.

Thanks, Dan! Good to see you back on here! I figured since I restored my white AMT 1/650 TOS Enterprise (http://scifimodelaction.com/sfmaforum/index.php?topic=6100.0), I am less leery about taking things apart and finishing them. Still, I hate to destroy the work I just did but I would rather have the light on than not. :)

Thanks for looking and posting!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on August 02, 2018, 09:09:32 am
Hi Steve,

It's hard to tell between the cotton version or not for me.   I think either looks pretty cool.   

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on August 24, 2018, 02:07:11 pm
more cotton!  I like it.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Madhatter on August 24, 2018, 09:29:43 pm
That's an awesome idea with the cotton Steve - I have an Enterprise D I need to make for my Mother as she's a huge Trek fan and I said I'd make her one, so I might use that idea when I get to it. Very novel I must say

Si
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on August 27, 2018, 10:29:02 am
Thanks, Gents!

I saw someone else recommend cotton to help diffuse the engine lights so I can't take credit for the idea; just the application. I can claim credit for the Tulip paint on the bussard collector LED light cones. I even added some tulip paint on the secondary hull internal lights as well and it seems to be working well.

I sealed up the saucer again and have puttied the seam. I've yet to sand and smooth it down. I am puttying the nacelle/engine attachment points. I still have a lot of work to do on the model and am starting to get bogged with how much I have to yet to do.

A complicating factor is that I may have to set it aside to do an RC-135V build for my son-in-law for Christmas. I may start a thread in the Non-SciFi section of the site to help me stay on track.

This will be an interesting test of my modeling OCD as I will try to build on one while the other dries.

Thanks for the interest! I will continue as I REALLY want to see this one done.

Slow-burn Steve :)

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: AlW on August 27, 2018, 04:33:27 pm
Steve, the new project sounds like fun but you've got to keep plugging away at the "C".  You've got some re-work still ahead of you but the amount of quality work you've put into this kit is going to pay off.  How about if you make it a nice Christmas present to yourself!!!
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on August 28, 2018, 07:22:55 am
Steve, the new project sounds like fun but you've got to keep plugging away at the "C".  You've got some re-work still ahead of you but the amount of quality work you've put into this kit is going to pay off.  How about if you make it a nice Christmas present to yourself!!!

Thanks for the encouragement, Al! I'll keep going on the C. The rate at which I seem to build indicates that I will get done around Christmas, so, yeah, it will be a nice Christmas present to me!

Stay tuned...

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on August 28, 2018, 07:35:16 am
I know you'll finish this thing at some point.  It is going to awesome when finished.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on August 28, 2018, 01:36:25 pm
Ditto @Shawn's comment.

Slow and steady, and walking away for a bit now and then can be useful.
It isn't like when you turn your back it'll disappear through a wormhole or someth ... uh ... better not finish that sentence ...  ;D
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on September 20, 2018, 08:18:57 am
Hey Guys!

While it has been a bit since I last posted (I mean, "I fell off the front page bit since I posted" long!) So I thought I would post a few WIP shots to show you I am back at the bench.

I wanted to let you know that your encouragements have prompted me to get back to it; sooooooo....thanks! Also, work has let up enough for me to think when I get home so I can hoist myself back to the bench with half a brain! :)

The progress so far is coming in spurts. I am at the dreaded "putty, sand, paint, repeat ad infinitum, ad nauseum cycle. But at least it's coming along and looking better. I have sealed the Saucer, puttied the seams and sanded them smooth. As so often happens when doing this process, the seam and putty looks terrible, rough, and not finished. But after running my fingernail over the seams and finding no divets or rough surfaces, I am confident the seam is finally done; at least until I put paint on it! ;)


This is showing the dosal Hanger Deck area and blinking light area. (I know! My use of techincal terms is Astounding!) As you can see, sainding this area was made more difficult by trying not to break the FO off. So far I've succeeded. I am trying to be extra careful so as to not cause me extra work later.

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I noticed my engine seams, the parts between the model pieces and my DLM parts, were more like gaps. I could press them closed but none of the adhesives were holding. Once I released the clamps, the seams would pop open again. I used the gorilla snot again to close them up. So far, they are holding. Despite gorilla's glue having an awful tendency to expand everywhere, I figured I could take a slow speed fissure bur to it, followed by a sanding stick, and shape it down to a more esthetic appearance. At least, that's the plan.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1866/44801520441_e3ce37e484_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bfXvaB)20180911_183922 (https://flic.kr/p/2bfXvaB)

After I had popped open the engines to insert some cotton and diffuse the bussard collector lights, I finally put the Bussard Collectors back on. I think this will be a better look this time around. Plus, I use CA, per DLM instructions, to put them back on, so they should be more securely mounted this time! (It helps when you read the instructions!) Of course, I did another light test and all is working within normal parameters. (Didja see what I did there?! :) )

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1881/44752318922_6b03d03901_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bbBkgy)20180913_213737 (https://flic.kr/p/2bbBkgy)

deckem_17 (a.k.a. Angryscifimodeler) noted that the production model of the Enterprise did not have the neck (Interconnecting Dosal (ICD)) grooves on the forward facing surface of the ship; as shown here
(http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/mechanics/ec1.jpg) (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/mechanics/ec1.jpg)
And it was only after searching for this picture that I noticed a small white strip running the length of the ICD; which is something I will try to duplicate in my build.

Following his lead, I smoothed out the neck; which, even when using a relatively flat fingernail file, ended up being rounded. *sigh*

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1863/29865304867_5060b71d5c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mv6uDr)20180919_212243 (https://flic.kr/p/Mv6uDr)

In re-watching deckem_17's video of his build, I wondered why he didn't just use a single peice to cover the neck rather than two peices. Well, I found out that I couldn't get an equal "showing" of the edge in profile without the two peices to manipulate. So I split the single peice I had and adjusted the "lip" before the glue set. I still got some spillage but I think this will be not show. Besides, I didn't want to spread the glue any further. I am hoping to pick it away once it is dry.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1888/43891679235_5cdcff64da_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29Syk5g)20180919_220228 (https://flic.kr/p/29Syk5g)

I'll have to putty and sand and paint the seam I've created put the result, if only half as good as deckem_17's, should be a nice detail point.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/29865305027_90ea4b940e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mv6uGc)20180919_220239 (https://flic.kr/p/Mv6uGc)


As always, thanks for the prods to keep going and for reading this far!
While I have enjoyed lurking, there really isn't anything like building and posting.

Thanks for looking and commenting!

Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Shawn McClure on September 20, 2018, 09:52:49 am
Lookin' good Steve.  I have also heard there were a few modifications on the neck and other parts of the "C" for the different studio models.  I think it's in the eye of the beholder.  Which means the way you are doing it is exactly right.   Until you do it another way, in which case 'that' way is exactly right... until the next time..  Repeat the above to infinity.

Anyway,  I'm glad you are back up and running.  It's looking fabulous.

Shawn
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: scottminium on September 20, 2018, 09:23:26 pm
Looking good.  So nothing was keeping the plastic halves together?  What about CA?  It dries harder than Gorilla glue but it is also less porous.  Also, if you don't need the strength you can putty the joint and then seal the putty with CA, which then also makes a good join.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on September 21, 2018, 07:41:57 am
Shawn, thanks the for comments!

Scott, you too!

Looking good.  So nothing was keeping the plastic halves together?  What about CA?  It dries harder than Gorilla glue but it is also less porous.  Also, if you don't need the strength you can putty the joint and then seal the putty with CA, which then also makes a good join.

Yeah, I used CA, only on the alignment pegs, the first time but I still had gaps. I thought I could live with them - until I placed cotton in them. Then I had hairy engines. I used the GG to act as an adhesive and gap filler. May have caused myself some work, but I think I can pull the haggis from the fire with this one.

Perhaps I was in a hurry to seal them up and should have planned a bit better. Re-thinking it  - I know could have planned and implemented better.

But, the joy is in the building and the learning of what works and what doesn't.

Now I know and knowing is half the battle!
(https://i.servimg.com/u/f11/17/98/35/70/duke-l10.jpg) (https://i.servimg.com/u/f11/17/98/35/70/duke-l10.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D Steve

Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: starsiegeplayer on September 23, 2018, 11:50:15 am
Good work with the interconnect dorsal front.  The Yamaguchi had ribs added there, but Enterprise did not.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on October 04, 2018, 01:06:57 pm
Thanks Star! I thought the ICD was smooth; I didn't notice that it had detail until only recently.

I think the secondary hull is ready for the base coat of paint. I am quite happy with the added ICD detail. It's not much, but it's mine.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1920/44310974394_d337425123_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2avBjV9)20180928_222227 (https://flic.kr/p/2avBjV9)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1960/45030449601_611bd5066d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bBbPQ6)20180928_222321 (https://flic.kr/p/2bBbPQ6)

Still working on the nacelles and pylons. I may have time next week to get them ready. Going to IPMS Austin, TX this weekend; hoping to meet up with other SFMA members!

TTFN!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: modelerdave on October 04, 2018, 02:13:32 pm
Looking good! I can't wait to see this come together. It's one of my top Starfleet ship designs. I like it much better than the Enterprise D, which I think it's too disproportioned.
Title: Re: 1/1400 AMT Enterprise-C
Post by: Spencer on October 04, 2018, 10:10:45 pm
Nice work Steve!

Always gets exciting when it's time to base coat.  :)