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Title: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 14, 2018, 09:33:25 pm
I like to write, A LOT, so read at your own peril.  I do this, because it is a great way for me to work through my issues, and get some feedback from all of the extremely knowledgeable people on these forums.  I am posting this in The RPF and Sci Fi Model Action forums. 

Some of you may or may not know me.  I finished a 1/350 Enterprise a few years ago and sold it.  I started work on a 1/72 Falcon and a TOS Bridge build.  Both of those projects are sitting on my shelf in various stages of completion.  For the Falcon build, I plan on keeping that model in my own collection, so not at the top of my list to work, and, I stepped on the cockpit canopy, crushing it, and that sort of crushed my will to work on the model.  She will get finished, just not now.  For my TOS Bridge build, I am on the lookout for a new display that will act as my forward viewer for the bridge.  I am also thinking of leaving this model in my collection, so not as much enthusiasm to work on it.  So, going to work on my two DeBoers kits.
I have the Enterprise with shuttle bay, and the Reliant kits.  I plan on building them concurrently.  If you have seen my older posts, I try to post EVERYTHING about what I am doing.  I will post all of the money it takes me to build it, all of the code work and hardware it takes, of course the modeling
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 14, 2018, 09:34:39 pm
HMMM, but my post cut off :(  Lookas like certain characters cause a break in the post, not sure why :(


Some of you may or may not know me.  I finished a 1/350 Enterprise a few years ago and sold it.  I started work on a 1/72 Falcon and a TOS Bridge build.  Both of those projects are sitting on my shelf in various stages of completion.  For the Falcon build, I plan on keeping that model in my own collection, so not at the top of my list to work, and, I stepped on the cockpit canopy, crushing it, and that sort of crushed my will to work on the model.  She will get finished, just not now.  For my TOS Bridge build, I am on the lookout for a new display that will act as my forward viewer for the bridge.  I am also thinking of leaving this model in my collection, so not as much enthusiasm to work on it. 

So, going to work on my two DeBoers kits.

I have the Enterprise with shuttle bay, and the Reliant kits.  I plan on building them concurrently.  If you have seen my older posts, I try to post EVERYTHING about what I am doing.  I will post all of the money it takes me to build it, all of the code work and hardware it takes, of course the modeling stuff and anything else needed to complete these guys.  Like just about everyone else on these forums, most of my work is derivative, not original.  Of course there are some original ideas in here, but a lot of it I learned/gleaned from people waaaay more knowledgeable than I am.  Here is a short list:

Simon Mercs  I have his whole video log on his DeBoers Enterprise
Orbital Drydock  he made the 5 color mask kits and has some videos on prep work for these models, I got my material listing for the fiberglass work off of those videos, I dondont know anything about fiberglass, lol.
Boyd at TrekWorks/The Model Shop  I have watched a ton of his videos, and obviously post on his forums
Steve Neill  love his shows and videos, still sad that many of his vids were taken down, a while ago.
Too many people on this forum have assisted me on my 1/350 refit, looking forward to more awesome suggestions and help!

Where to start these discussions Where to start these discussions, letlets start with what is in the pictures.  The kits are in great shape, here are some of the items I need to do:
1)   Windows need to be drilled and filed out. 
2)   Structural reinforcement
3)   Metal mounting structure probably use some sort of copper pipe and hand make them, not sure
4)   Extra surface area needs to be added to all of the major parts that are getting glued together, nacelles and saucers, especially.
5)   Need to build some jigs so I can aim the spotlight effects that go from the nacelles to the saucer section.  I REALLY dont have a large enough booth to air brush in
6)   Take a look and see if how I did the nacelle warp engine effects will work at this slightly larger scale
7)   Scratch build an arboretum Enterprise
8)   Scratch build some sort of Office thingy Enterprise
9)   Scratch build two shuttle bays Reliant might look for some sort of loading dock model kit in Z scale I think is the scale. 
10)   Upgrade the Enterprises shuttle bay
11)   Investigate the possibility of doing a motorized shuttle bay doors on the E, I talked to a mechanical engineer friend, she laughed at me when she saw the size of the area to work with!
12)    Light blocking, I used aluminum tape on my 1/350, 12)    Light blocking, I used aluminum tape on my 1/350, WONT be doing that again, adds to much weight.  I will test of a couple of different ideas, using different types of paint.
13)   Print light boxes my wife and I want to buy a 3D printer, great use to print out a bunch of light boxes.  I dont like the idea of just using a strip of LEDs to light whole sections.  If they are all individual, I can do some really cool effects via my Arduino.
14)   Main dish on the E I want to transition colors on it
15)   RCS thrusters -  will be on both models during station keeping or impulse movement
16)   For the Reliant, I want to do an Evil and Good version.  Basically, they used some Red lights to highlight differences on the ship when Khan was in charge, want to make that a switch.
17)   Need to go back over my lighting plan, it is attached to this post.
18)   I am going to do a 5 color paint scheme on these models.  I will be taking another popular 5 color masking set, up scaling it for the E and modifying it for the R and making them.  My wife has a computer controlled cutting tool that will allow me to do this, forgot the name of it though.  Silhouette I think.
19)   The bases for both models will be based off of the movie.  I really want to be able to play the movie on a display built into the base and have a bunch of cool effects in there.  Will draw something up and take some pics of what I want in there.
20)   EVERY resistor that is in a model, will have a resistor in series.  I will not change this, WAAAY to easy to blow up an LED without this.  Also, I used very high output LED lights that will be run in low power to increase their life span, I want over 20,000 MTBF on this guys.  I am thinking if I could somehow make them replaceable, not sure if that is possible though. 
21)   I need photo etch for both of these models.  I know that Elliot Brown makes it for the E and has even sold some of these kits.  However, he never answers any of my emails, not sure if I am being blocked or he doesnt like me :O
22)   I will be using the McKenzie Polytranspar Super Hide white as my base coat and their iridescent paints
23)   I will be using Vallejo acrylics for pretty much everything else.  Ease of use and they dont kill my brain cells is a definite plus on their use!
24)   Trek Modelers painting guide, a great reference on how to paint this model, and worth the $s to purchase.  I really like the green, so probably will do a green on the secondary hull instead of blue.  Arguments will now commence, lol.
25)   There will be some acrylic work, I have used Laser Fire Creations on multiple projects, great guy and great support.
26)   I want to revisit the clear material I used in my port holes.  I can go with the resin I used before, but not sure.  The holes are a bit bigger this time, so might be easier to do.  It was a PAIN to get all of the air bubbles out of the resin last time.  I have to go find the name of the stuff, but it can be purchased at Hobby Lobby or Michaels.  ClearCast I think. 
27)   I bought some new air brushes, I was using cheapo ones before, and they always had troubles working.  I now own some nice ones, fingers crossed on them working well!
28)   Panel lines and sensor lines on the saucer?  Not sure on this, I SUCK at scribing. 
29)   OH, LASERS, I am putting LASERS in these, not sure how many, how much wattage etc, but LASERS.
30)   I am sure there is more!
As I purchase stuff, I usually link where I bought it, so you can hopefully either save time or let me know of a better place to go get it!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 14, 2018, 09:51:10 pm
Update #1
Was able to work on the kit for many hours today, mainly just sanded and order material.  Oh, in the above post, you see some of the lighting plan for each model, this is about 10 pages for each model, and the numbers are there for me to hook into a my Mega Arduino control board.  Enough on that. 

Some help I am looking for.
1)   Does anyone know where I can get some shuttles and worker bees in rough scale to this model?  I have been looking and no luck.
2)   I have seen that Elliot Brown has released a photo etch kit for the Enterprise, anyone know for sure, and also how the heck to buy one, I would love to throw some money at him to get a set!
3)   

Ordered a bunch of material, here is a listing.  I am new to working in fiberglass, so, I took my BOM from Orbital Drydock
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: AlW on January 15, 2018, 06:16:48 am
Hey James, welcome back to the forum!  Last we heard, you were off to Qatar and Afghanistan.  You and your epic builds were sorely missed.  Can't tell you how many times I leaned on your Refit WIP for guidance.  Best of luck on the DeBoers builds.  Al
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: scottminium on January 15, 2018, 01:20:56 pm
getting wires through the roll bar 'struts' looks fun!  That's a lot of wires.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 15, 2018, 07:58:13 pm
Can anyone look on the back of their Orbital Drydock masks and tell me the material the grey green masks are made from?  I have the yellow sheet, trying to figure out what was used for all of the other vinyl.  Please PM me the info.  No one makes a 5 color masking set for this, and I want to use the same material used in Brett's set.  Also, anyone have an idea what the transfer material was?  I have basically moved twice since my last modeling frenzy, and missing a lot of stuff, I am sure it is here somewhere, just can't find it.  :(

Thanks,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 15, 2018, 08:25:42 pm
Al,

Thanks for the welcome back!  I am back from Qatar, living with the family again, and I have a 16 month window or so to get these two models completed, so off to the races!

James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 16, 2018, 09:46:55 pm
Update #2

I am all over the place, trying to identify areas that need me to go order something to continue making progress on the model. 

Shot an email to Dennis to see if I could get a part in clear, no problem.  I want to get the impulse engines cast in clear.  That way, all I will need is the photo etch to overlay, save some serious time, and my scratch skills are not the greatest.

I spoke with Stan at Starling tech.  I plan on using some of his board for some of the effects on the model.  I REALLY like his deflector dish effect and he has the torpedoes with sound effect.  Both of these will save me a ton of time.  Also, Stan has given me great customer support.  I can
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 16, 2018, 10:10:00 pm
Super awesome news, at least for me, I have been able to speak to Eliot B on the photo etch parts.  The two biggest areas of arse pain and unknowns are pretty much addressed, masks and photo etch.   The stars are aligning!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 17, 2018, 08:21:52 pm
Update #3
Spoke with Lou D, the masks are on order.  The mask set is missing a few details, I have a Silhouette, and I am going to put the wife to work creating the masks that I am missing.  I am one lucky guy.
Spoke with Eliot B, the photo etch for the E is on order, plus some really cool parts he made for this kit.  Looking forward to being able to share them with everyone.  Still working on the R
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 18, 2018, 07:26:41 am
James, Welcome back from the sandbox!

This is looking good! I've only seen one other DeBoers build (NemVia's) so this will be very interesting to watch come together.

Steady as she goes.

Steve

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 18, 2018, 09:53:25 pm
Steve,

Thanks for the welcome back!  Super excited to be building again!

Update #4

Masking set has been ordered, woohoo!  Figured out how to get the windows drilled to a level of horizontalness that I can deal with.  I don
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 20, 2018, 11:44:59 pm
Update #5
While it doesn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: greg on January 22, 2018, 01:18:51 am
HMMM, but my post cut off :(  Lookas like certain characters cause a break in the post, not sure why :(
I had the same problem and it drove me bonkers. It was the apostrophe. I had copied text from a different source and instead of the straight up and down apostrophe, it was the curved one. It's a different ASCII code and the software here doesn't recognize it. Be careful, and I am sure the curved quotation marks will do the same.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 22, 2018, 08:33:30 am
James, your drill outs (windows) look great! Keep going!

HMMM, but my post cut off :(  Lookas like certain characters cause a break in the post, not sure why :(
I had the same problem and it drove me bonkers. It was the apostrophe. I had copied text from a different source and instead of the straight up and down apostrophe, it was the curved one. It's a different ASCII code and the software here doesn't recognize it. Be careful, and I am sure the curved quotation marks will do the same.

To further the discussion - if you write anything in MSWord, for example, most of the special characters will cause the complier to freakout and drop anything following the special character. I've taken to writing most things while online to avoid any dropped messages, posts, and thoughts. Be careful here as well, if you have been logged on to long and then try and post - it will error out and drop your post, too!

Awesome site! But use at bloggers risk!  ;D ;D

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 24, 2018, 08:30:13 pm
The solution to the text cutting off is to past it as plain text, that corrects the problems.  No issues since I have been doing that.

Never mind, it cut off my post from the crooked apostrophe.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 24, 2018, 08:30:56 pm
Update #6
More tons of effort, and it sure doesnt look like it   Good news first, I received in the Lou Ds masking set for the E and the R.  They look amazing!!!  I cant wait to paint, but a whole lot of stuff has to happen first, lol.  I have been working with Stan on the effects board for the Reliant, more to come on that.  Been talking to Matt at Laser Fire Creations, and hopefully will get a set of more accurate nacelle engine clear parts for the nacelles, these are being CNCd from a block of acrylic, so they are AMAZING!!  I cant wait to share some pics of them. 

So, not bad news but wow, painfully slow.  There is a pic below of the 8 square windows on the saucer section that was almost 2 hours of filing away, and still not square enough for me.  I am getting better with my files, and depending on where on the file you file, you can get more or less square.  A defect of the manufacturing process.  I would pay good money to get a set of small files that are actually square and flat.

Lots of work on reinforcing the main saucer for, on the E, where it connects to the secondary hull.  I need to make a metal plate that will be epoxied into the saucer and that the screws will tighten down on.  I hope that makes sense.  I want to maximize the area that the screws apply pressure when I connect the saucer and secondary hull together.  Lots of work on the R hull where the nacelles connect to the hull and where the mounting pole will enter into the hull.  These model might weigh 20 pounds when complete, but spread that over 16 square inches or so, no issue with joint failure.  The hard part is determining where to drill the hull, hard to figure out the center point of the model when it isnt done.

The windows are 98$ done.  I have ordered the resin I will use to fill the holes, and that is the next big step on these models, so cant do much on the main hulls until that material arrives, which is poor planning on my part.

Taking 2 days of leave, and heading up to Dallas to build the assembly jigs for the models.  You might think this is a little early, but I need the assembly jig so I can aim the spot light LED effects that go from the nacelles on to the main and secondary hulls.

Starting to rough in the torpedo housing for the R.  WOW, lots of work, and still a lot to go.  Everything sort of lines up, but going to be painful to get it looking perfect.

One cool thing, working my way, chronologically, through all of the James Bond movies.  Has been quite a while since I have seen them.  They help pass the time as I sand and file away. 

This is my first large scale resin model effort.  Huge props to those who have finished these, and huge props to those who put their work online and allow for us to learn from!

Random photo of the new LEGO UCS Falcon, amazing kit.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on January 25, 2018, 05:18:01 am
Good progress, James.  Just curious to know what you provided Laser Fire Creations to make more accurate engine nacelles.  Did you do a 3D rendering for them or something else?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 25, 2018, 07:29:46 am
James, looking good!

It's great that you are planning so far ahead for this project. But just a quick question: Why are you taking leave for Dallas?! Is there a fabrication specialist there? Just curious.

Love the reinforcements you have going. Can't wait to see your other solutions!

Looking sharp, Mr. Sulu!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 25, 2018, 08:33:02 pm
Update #7

I received in the 1:350 shuttles, still do not know if I am going to use them.  I am going to do a test build out of the shuttle bay with some of the Z scale minis I got on ebay and see how it looks.  The Travel pod actually works pretty well, I plan on attaching one on the side of the secondary hull at some point.  Recreate when Kirk first lands on the new Enterprise. 

Working on the RCS thrusters on the top of the E and R, only the E is pictured.  The resin I am using is called Art Resin, bought it on Amazon.  It has some built in UV protection and wow, it is really clear, gives me hope that the RCS thrusters are going to turn out well.  The only issue, it needs 12 hours or so to set, and 72 to completely harden.  So can not touch the saucer tops until tomorrow.

Cheers,
James

Al,
Good progress, James.  Just curious to know what you provided Laser Fire Creations to make more accurate engine nacelles.  Did you do a 3D rendering for them or something else?  Thanks!

Matt actually has the DeBoers Enterprise, and has not build it.  I am sort of helping him make some progress on his.  He also cut the other side of the nacelle with his CNCmachine.  The guy is an artist with his CNC machine. 

Steve,
It's great that you are planning so far ahead for this project. But just a quick question: Why are you taking leave for Dallas?! Is there a fabrication specialist there? Just curious.

There is a specialist there, my Dad. LOL, due to PCS weight requirements, and in general never having a garage, all of my wood working tools are up there.  Band saw, jointer, planer, table saw, router table, shop smith etc.  Gives me a good reason to hang out with my Dad, which we both really enjoy, making sawdust is always a great thing!  I have attached some pics of a gaming table he and I built, the top has two sides, and is removable.  You set your game up underneath, so you can leave it set up.  One of my other hobbies is gaming.  The pics show the table built, I have not completed the finish on it, too much stuff on top of it atm.  That is what always happens though, if there is a horizontal surface, something must be placed on top of it!  I spent two weeks with him building this in between Afghanistan and Qatar. 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 25, 2018, 08:35:52 pm
Here is a pic of the opposite side of the nacelle.  The channels he cut were about 1/16 inch deep, which really adds some pop.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: DaveMondo on January 26, 2018, 09:06:08 am
Fantastic work so far. Looking forward to watching this move forward.

Dave
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 28, 2018, 06:28:48 pm
Update #8

Lots of work getting done on the light boxes and other LEDs that need installation.  I am not installing them yet.  Since the models are getting driven long distances and the windows are not in yet, just building the light boxes that are going everywhere.  Will install them after the windows go in. 

One item I noticed is that the lasers will need to laze through a light box, will figure that out when I get there.  Also, you can not buy a high power laser, I guess they are regulated to keep idiots from shining them at planes, which I guess is a good thing.  So, I am buying parts and see if I can not build my own.

Stan has the custom load of software done on the effects boards.  Should see those at some point.  The effects allow for 2 LEDs per torpedo tube on the Reliant, both front and rear.  Basically, all 4 will now have the white and red LED effect, which I think is the best out there.  Also, both models should have a laser effect.

I have the RCS thrusters poured for the Enterprise, still need to do the Reliant, however, need to file out the holes for the bottom half of the saucer.  I have done some work on the secondary hull for the Enterprise.  Instead of using the crystal clear Art Resin, which is amazing stuff, but takes basically 2 days to cure, I am going to use the Lang dental material for the RCS thrusters on the secondary hull.

I have the RCS thrusters on the nacelles drilled/formed out, but still not sure on which filler material I am going to use.  The Art Resin is too viscous, and I do not think I can pack the Lang dental material in there.  So, I might be stuck having to go get a third  filler material just for the RCS thrusters, which makes me have a  again.

You can also see the reinforcement on the saucer sections for the E and the R.  The Reliant hull is WAAAAAYYYY more rigid now with the added resin in the back portion.  I left an area un painted to allow for additional material to be installed.  When I put the mount in, I plan on fiber glassing/resining over the mount to give it tremendous strength, would hate for the mount to break that would be a REALLY bad day.

You can also see that I have taped together assemblies and done some rough part putting together to get ready to build the assembly jigs later this week.

I need to find a better picture compressor 

Back to work!

Cheers,
James


Dave,

Thanks for the kind words!  Moving forward about as fast as I can go.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 29, 2018, 07:28:18 am
James!

There is a specialist there, my Dad. LOL, due to PCS weight requirements, and in general never having a garage, all of my wood working tools are up there.  Band saw, jointer, planer, table saw, router table, shop smith etc.  Gives me a good reason to hang out with my Dad, which we both really enjoy, making sawdust is always a great thing!  I have attached some pics of a gaming table he and I built, the top has two sides, and is removable.  You set your game up underneath, so you can leave it set up.  One of my other hobbies is gaming.  The pics show the table built, I have not completed the finish on it, too much stuff on top of it atm.  That is what always happens though, if there is a horizontal surface, something must be placed on top of it!  I spent two weeks with him building this in between Afghanistan and Qatar.

DUDE! That gaming table is WOW! AWESOME!! I mean, not to overstate or anything - if this is indicative of your woodworking skills this build will truly be a work of art! Besides, if you ever retire/get out of Active Duty, you can always start your own business doing furniture! Beautiful!

Okay, I'll calm down now.


The build is looking good, though.

About the picture compression - just wondering, if you are taking them with a DSRL, are you taking them as .raw or .jpg? Also, the size of the pic (how many pixels per pic) may be set too high for posting here without compression.

Also, and I am cautious after the photobucket money grab scandal, third party media hosting sites (like Imgur or Flickr) may allow you to paste links here and not worry about compression issues.

Just a thought. I would hate to miss out on seeing your work in all it's glory!

Steady as she goes.

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 29, 2018, 10:36:20 pm
Update #9

Not a lot of progress, even with a lot of hours tonight.  I did my first re-work.  I was pulling the molds off of the RCS thrusters on the Es saucer, and noticed that I did not square out two of the holes.  Soooo, got to remove all of the resin, square out the holes, and I need to recast that thruster, will have to wait until after the jig construction.

I spent most of the evening working on the planetary sensor on the bottom of the Es saucer.  I need to figure out how to put some sort of putty, probably Apoxi sculpt in between the sensor and hull, pull the sensor down tight and allow to cure.  This should get rid of the mold lines.  Also, looking at the lighting plan, I am not sure on what surface I will need to mount the spot light LEDs for the bottom saucer.  I plan on also doing the same exact thing on the Reliant.  I do not recall seeing this in the STIIWoK, but, it is so COOL that it must be on the model.  I will figure out how to get the red LEDs in there also. 

The sensor will be removable and attached via magnet, so, this will make mounting the LEDs on the sensor itself more problematic, but doable.  The LEDs at the rear of the sensor will be mounted in the sensor regardless.  This will make painting this section WAAAAAAAYYYY easier to get super crisp lines.  Having such a large model presents some challenges, but offers up different solutions from what I could do on the Polar Lights kit.

I could not find my 50,000 MCD LED lights, darn PCS, so had to order some more.  I am using these ultra bright LEDs as the spotlight source on the bottom of the saucer.

Having a blast!

Cheers,
James


Steve,

Thanks for the compliments, I had a blast building that with my Dad.  We used the Wood Whisperer design and ordered the wood from a place called Bell Forest Products.  Most of the table is made out of Wenge, with Gaboon Ebony, Holly, Snakewood, Cocobolo, Birds Eye Maple, Indian Rosewood, arrgg and a few others as the inlay board.  It took me several months to find a Holly board long enough to do the outline for the inlay in a single piece on the long edges.  Building furniture for profit is a lot like building models for a profit, can be done, if you like being poor.  A great hobby that pays for itself though!

I do not want to host any pictures on a third party server.  I do all of my hosting direct on Boyds site, but have to be under 200K.  HOWEVER, my new work flow is to put the pics in Power Point, compress and print out as a JPEG, this is working faster than the old method, so will continue on, and it gives much better results!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 02, 2018, 08:03:08 pm
Update #10

Spent the last few days travelling back and forth from Dallas.  Was able to get all of the jigs 90% built for the models.  I need to finish up some sanding and adding the last of the bottom braces on.  The braces will increase the stability of the jigs, as the parts get heavier.  See the models in a rough state is super motivating.  I should get started on filling in the windows tomorrow.  Might get that completed this weekend, not sure.  After that, I can start installing electronics into the hulls.  I am still stuck on assembly order.  I need to start cutting to get the Es impulse engine on and see how that hole matches up with the screws needed to seat the saucer to the secondary hull.  I think I will paint the completed saucer as a single assembly and the engines/secondary hull as an assembly.  Not sure on that yet.

I got the deflector control circuit in today from Starling Tech.  Looking great, cannot wait to get the code written on my Arduino to get it to work properly.  Stan has been amazing at supporting this build.

Also, I got in my DC power supply, been wanting one for quite a while.  Going to order a 4 channel oscilloscope, which is really needed when I start writing the code for the debug side.  The debugger and external LEDs only get you so far.  I have wanted an Oscope ever since I left my last hardware design gig,

I also received the machined acrylic nacelle warp grills.  They are FANTASTIC and look VERY close to the studio models, so these fix one of the issues with the Deboers kits.

The jigs are better than what I expected.  The Es secondary hull is set, but the engines are very adjustable, and I can adjust the front saucer support.  On the R, the main hull is set, and I can adjust the engines quite well.

Oh, one last thing, the table is 8 foot long that the two models are sitting on, they are quite large.

Lots of good things happening, and the progress is cranking along.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 04, 2018, 09:40:19 pm
Update #11

Just finished the Super Bowl, was exciting, sucked that the Cowboys could not win it though.  The pictures are not terribly exciting visually, but to me, they are AWESOME!  I am working on getting all of the windows poured into the various hull pieces.  I can only do 1 section a night, not including re-works.  Although, night two has gone much better on getting the resin into the holes.  I used my Dremel with a pyramid looking bit to hollow out the area behind the port hole.  I added a cross section in the pics to show you what I am talking about.  This is working REALLY well in getting the little bubbles out.  Another bonus is that there is much more room in these holes than on the Polar Lights 1/350 version.  So, another 8 nights or so of this.  While the windows are going in, going to work on getting my custom made nacelle grills installed on the E.  Can not wait to show some pics of this, and how much more accurate they are compared to the base model.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 06, 2018, 07:54:11 am
Looking great so far, James!

That is a big ship!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 19, 2018, 07:28:48 pm
Update #12

Has been a while since the last update, but all I have been doing is installing the windows throughout the ship.  I have the Reliant done and the Saucer for the E, still working on the secondary hull.  I went ahead and drilled out the work I had done, I believe I can get them better.  As part of the windowing, I did some experimenting.  On one set of windows I sanded both sides, inside and out, to 600 grit, and on another set, I only sanded the exterior to 600 grit.  I really could not tell a difference, so I do not think the extra work of sanding the inside will get done.  Another problem I have is diffusing the light equally across the little port holes.  I came up with a couple different diffusion ideas, I am going to go with a double layer.  The pictures show a curve, which worked the best, however, I do not want to leave anything under a load.  I would be basically taping a spring inside a box that I could not get to when it came undone, and under load, the tape, even the tape I use, will eventually fail so double straight pieces.  I also played around with different voltages.  My new DC power supply came in super handy for this and worked AWESOME to allow me to see what voltage I should use.  I want to send the lowest amount of current to the LEDs as possible and still have a good looking light.  Lower current should mean much longer life.  Last picture shows some primer and the mask on the portholes.  The masking and primer cleaned up and straightened out the windows super awesome.  Worked better than I had hoped for.  I made sure to elongate each window up or down to ensure that a straight line of windows is doable.  I think this works as well as it does because there is no direct light on these windows.  I have started doing body work on the models, sanding and cleaning.  I do not want to start installing electronic stuff into the hulls until the large work is done on the bodies.  Would probably just tear up everything I installed otherwise.  My next post is about cleaning up those nits.  I did not let the primer cure overnight, so it was a little soft that is ok.  Also, the masks left some residue on the model, which is a little concerning.  More work with the masks is needed.  Also, my skill at picking masks off a painted model, and not scratching anything have degraded.  However, the 5 color masking requirements will solve that issue, rather quickly.

Cheers,
James


Steve,

Thanks for the good vibes!

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 19, 2018, 07:41:35 pm

Update #12.1

I am seeking some advice.  When the Reliant was pulled from the mold, there was a lot of little air bubbles trapped throughout and I am trying to figure out the best way to repair them.  I am working with Liquidtex Modeling Paste, new for me.  Seems ok.  I have also used an Evercoat Metal Glaze UJltra a bondo like material, which sands amazingly well.  I use Apoxie sculpt and something called perfect plastic putty.  The Liquidtex goes in decently and sands well, but WOW, an incredibly painful process.  What have other people done?  Am I better off just sanding the area flat and putting the detail back in?  I do not know, curious as to what some other folks have done on resin kits.  Any thoughts greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 20, 2018, 07:39:54 am
Hey, James,

Commentary about the bad molding process aside, that is a real mess.

I understand the surface area with the bubbles is quite large, given your photos, so I would tackle it one "area" at a time. I have used Perfect Plastic Putty (PPP) to fill windows that were too big and I have seen others use it to fill grid lines on the old TOS E 350 saucer with great success. I have also used nail acrylic and monomer to "paint" in the defect and shaped it once it was cured (15 mins). It finishes well.

If it were me, I would paint/smash/smear PPP into the defect in a small area, then shape it as best I could with an instrument till it set. Then, after the set, try scraping the detail back in or use a dremel, on its slowest speed, and a bur to shape the set material.

Or you could ask for a replacement piece from the maker.

Either way, a tough row to hoe!

Good luck!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on February 20, 2018, 08:08:02 am
James, I'm working on a resin kit now with similar bubbles and voids, and I've found that watering down the Liquitex Modeling Paste into more of a slurry than a paste to be the best solution.  Per Steve's suggestion, I've also used PPP but keep in mind you may not get the best adhesion to resin surfaces with PPP as it's formulated for plastic.  Also, since Liquitex is made from fine marble dust, it sands perfectly smooth with wet sanding.  After thinning it with 20% water, I spatula it on and use either a putty knife or flexible squeegee to smooth it into the bubbles and remove any excess.  Wet sanding afterward with 320, 600 and 1200 paper and sponges yields a good looking surface.

I've also used Milliput, which is great for larger seams and voids in resin, but not as good for smaller gaps and bubbles.  For smaller resin seams, Zap a Gap CA glue works fine.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on February 20, 2018, 03:16:32 pm
James, I thought I'd attach a few photos of what I was referring to in my post above.  I'm re-working the Masterpiece TWA Moonliner resin kit because the major longitudinal seams on the fuselage have issues and the fuselage actually concaves towards it's midsection at another major seam.  In addition, there's the usual pits and bubbles of the sort you've found on your DeBoers kits on the landing legs, etc.

In the photos that follow, you'll see heavily sanded resin (where it's mottled from sanding), bright white sanded Milliput Putty, and then very pale white, water-diluted Liquitex.  It's been weeks of work to get it ready for priming, but all these different materials and chemistries seem to work okay together.

Hope this helps and good luck!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 20, 2018, 10:42:55 pm
Thanks for the great ideas.  I think I am going to go with watered down Liquidtex, I  hadn't even thought of watering it down. 

I was talking to my wife last night, here Cameo Silhouette will cut 10 mil plastic.  I think I will try and cut out some pieces and take a look at just sanding everything flat and rebuilding the panels.  More thought required, however, half of the fun is the thinking!

Cheers,
James 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 26, 2018, 08:21:20 am
More thought required, however, half of the fun is the thinking!

Gaston: "LeFou, I'm afraid I've been thinking..."

LeFou: "...a dangerous passtime..."

Gaston: "...I know!"

 ;D

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 28, 2018, 09:07:06 pm
Update #13

Lots and lots of work, but really boring looking.  Lots of prep work on the parts, sanding, I am redoing the panel lines, so I do not lose them when I paint.  My scribing skills are getting better, a lot of that has to do with having a sharp tool. :O  Lots of work with Apoxie sculpt getting the pieces to fit together perfectly.  There are several pieces that will be magnetically attached to the model, do to assembly issues and painting issues, and require a lot of work upfront to get the pieces to minimize joint lines.  My sculpting skills are also improving.   I got the 4 CNC machined acrylic grills back from Laser Fire creations, and they are amazing.  I modified all 4 nacelles to accept them and they are currently curing with some West Systems epoxy.  The good thing is that all of the rigidity of the nacelle was gone, after they were modified to receive the part, so I am glad that they are gluing and that there is some strength there again.  I have fiddle farted with the software for the cutting machine, pretty easy to use, I need to start working on all of the Reliant replacement pieces for the bottom.  I have ordered a roll of Oramask 810S for the additional paint masks needed.  I LOVE the work that Lou has done on his masks, but I want to do the refit, which will require a large number of new masks to be made.  I am looking forward to that challenge.  I have designed and made PCBs in the past, so not that hard to switch over to do some photo etch parts.  I am pulling together the pieces/parts to make that happen.  I am still hopeful to get the kit from Eliot, but regardless, I will need to develop some parts for the Reliant.  I have also done a ton of paint research work.  I have attached it all below.  AK has made a new line of lacquer paints, I am going to try those out.  I noticed in all of my previous work that lacquer has NEVER been damaged or pulled up from masking material, however, I have had several occasions where the water based acrylic paint has come up with the masks.  So, hope this works out.  come up with the masks.  So, hope this works out.  I will not be able to do all of the colors in lacquer, but at least I am hoping I can get the Reliant aztecing done with a range of lacquer based greys.  Fingers crossed.  I also will need to get my air brush set up back and running soon.  I need to go find some parts, too many PCSs, stuff disappears   I have also settled on the LEDs that are going to do the spotlight effect, when I get them made up, will take some pics.  They are 15 degree 55K MCD LEDs, so I am sanding two of them down and gluing them together to get an approximately 30 degree cone of light.  I like the look so far.  More pics on that a bit later.

Enterprise Paint
Model Master Name   #           Acril    #   Vallejo Name      #   Model Air #
Flat Pale Green      FS34227   4739           Green Sky              974      95
Neutral Gray      FS36270   4757           Medium Sea Grey   870
White         FS37875   4769           White         951      1
                                  Off White              820
Gull Gray              FS36440   4763           Deck Tan                              986      45
Light Sea Gray      FS36307   4759           Stone Grey***       884
US Navy/Blue Gray   M-485   4847           Dark Blue Grey      904      
Euro 1 Gray      FS36081   4750           Grey Green      866      55
Insignia Yellow      FS33538   4721           Flat Yellow              953      2   
                                  Golden Yellow      948      2
Radome Tan      FS33613   4722           Beige         917      74
Light Gray              FS36495   4765           Pale Grey Blue      907      
Clear Blue                    4658           Transparent Blue   938
Clear Red                    4630           Transparent Red           934
Testors Copper - 1151      4217           Copper         999
Tamiya Light Blue XF23            Light Green Blue   972      8
                                  Grey Green      971   
Model Master White Primer                 Surface Primer White   73600
Gray Primer                       Surface Primer Grey   73601



Need 4 Green/Grays for the Strong Back


Reliant Paint Colors Reliant Paint Colors  From AMT Instructions
Duck Egg Blue      FS35622   1722   ?????
Light Ghost Grey   FS36375   1728   Sky Grey      989
Flat Black      FS37038   1749   Black         950
British Crimson      99999      2009   Cavalry Brown      982
Insignia White      FS17875   1745   Gloss White      842
Intermediate Blue   FS35164   1720   Intermediate Blue    903
Aluminium      99999       
Flat Yellow      99999        
Gloss Black      FS17038   1747   Black         950
Copper         99999      
Green         99999      1734   Intermediate Green   891
Insignia Red      FS31136   1705   Flat Red      957

From NemVia
Light Grey      FS36495   1732   Pale Grey Blue      907
Underside Blue      FS15200   2123
Intermediate Blue   FS35164   1720   Intermediate Blue    903



Color Build Up
4 different shades of colors on the entire engine.
1)   Model Master Light Grey #1732 that was thinned out with paint thinner
2)   Dark off-white made with 2 parts MM #1732 Light gray, and 1 part MM #1768 Flat white.
3)   Light blueish color called Underside Blue MM#2123. This will be lightened with 2 parts Flat White MM#1732
4)   Off-White made with 2 parts Flat White MM#1732 and one part Light Gray MM#1768.
The darker colors are sprayed intermediate blue, the bridge dome is sprayed aluminum and the phaser turrets are deep yellow. These are allowed to dry for one day, then I applied 2 coats of Gloss Cote for the decals.

Look into using
White Grey       993
Sky Grey       989
Medium Sea Grey     870

Bluish - Light Sea Grey 973 mixed with white
Bluish - Sky Blue 961

AK Lacquers
White Grey
Flat White
Light Grey
NATO Black
Signal Red
Ochre
Pale Blue
Pale Grey
Egyptian Desert San
Clear Blue
Pale Sand
Maize Yellow
Libyan Army Desert Grey
Orange
Deck Tan
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 02, 2018, 09:19:13 pm
Update #14

Wow, got to use the vinyl cutter for the first time and WOWOWOWOW, super looking forward to cutting custom masks for whatever is needed.  I cut strips that are going down into the nacelles, and actually getting ready to paint the first one tomorrow.  The first part to get finish paint, super excited, and only 6 weeks into this, LOLOL.  I guess that is fast, not sure.  The planetary sensors are through their first round of primer, and came out better than I had hoped, got everything cleaned up, and waiting for sunlight tomorrow to put down the second light coat of primer on them.  Working the fitting and puttying of the impulse engine crystal component.  Takes a few days, apoxie takes at least 16 hours or so before I will sand on it.  Coming along nicely though, and getting better at the whole thing.  Hopefully get the nacelle grill painted tomorrow, and start building the warp engine light boxes.  I want a painted grill to test my designs on.  Everything is moving along. 

On the equipment side, I could not find my exhaust duct thingy for my little airbrush booth, so ordered another on Ebay.  Once that gets in, I can set up my airbrush station, and start laying down final paint on some parts!  Just about done researching everything needed to do my own photo etch, will need to buy a UV light, a tank to etch in, probably get a bubbler/heated tank and the hard part, l learn another software package to draw up what I need.  I have been drawing up the replacement parts for the bottom of the Reliant, maybe cut some plastic tomorrow.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 04, 2018, 11:00:37 pm
Update #15

Tons of sanding, some priming, and a single piece of finished paint I needed to start work on the light boxes for the warp nacelles and I am pretty happy with the results.  There is some light leaks that need to be addressed, but not worried at all on that part.  I also went ahead and did a cut run for the Reliant replacement parts on the bottom.  I did it in card stock, and there is some tweaking needed, couple of parts to short and 1 too long, but overall, really nice, and the hard parts, angles, are all within a degree or so.  I need to finish up a few more parts, then cut some plastic, then sand that sucker flat.  So many bubbles.....gone....woohoo!

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on March 05, 2018, 04:52:12 am
Those engine grilles are sharp!  That new vinyl cutter will spoil you!  Can't wait to see what you do with your own PE;)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 11, 2018, 11:03:49 pm
Thanks A|W!

Update #16

The sanding and prepping continues.  I have been working on the nacelle chiller parts, prepping them to be glued onto the nacelle.  They need to be primed and then the base white paint painted onto the inside portion of the part.  Much easier to paint that now, with the part off.  The only problem, I have to finish putting my airbrush stuff back together, which has required some parts to be ordered.  I needed a new hose and I need to track down a power supply for my booth.  I got primer down on the impulse engine assembly for the E, and I am REALLY unhappy with how my panel lines look.  They look like crap. :(  Soooo, I am in the process of filling and sanding.  In order to put the panel lines back in better, I cut out some stencils to use as something to trace against, but I really like how they look.  I went ahead and cut some 0.010 thick plastic parts out, and will glue those on and prime it up.  Fingers crossed, I think they are going to look good.  The last pic is of some 3mm FO line installed into the Es secondary hull.  Most people just shoot some light up there, but I want to be able to turn individual sections on and off, and I can not fit a light box in there, so, FO time.  The good and bad, the glue that was holding that part of the hull together sort of failed.  I needed to drill to make a hole large enough to use a coat hanger to help guide the FO down the neck, and the parts separated. Good to find out now, will go in and reinforce the area some when I close it all back up.  I have also done some RCS thruster work on one of the nacelle parts.  Unlike the saucers, which are easy to fill with some clear resin and light, these parts a little trickery.  So, I cut part of the nacelle part off and poured in some clear resin.  Going to do some testing on the results over the next few days.  If happy, will do the other 3 parts.  A little closer to getting the nacelles done.

Also, all of my photo etch etching stuff came in.  I have yet to mess with that, soon.  I was thinking of doing some custom etch to clean up the nacelles on the outside.  There are a lot of little air bubbles in the molding, and doing PE is probably a good way to redo the detail and eliminate the molding issue. 

Cheers
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 12, 2018, 07:50:04 am
Wow, James! I agree with Al; those grills are sharp!

Love the added detail you putting on.

Looking great! Keep it going!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 17, 2018, 11:19:26 pm
Steve,

The encouragement is awesome!!

Update #17

The sanding and prepping continues, lol.  I was working late two nights ago, and did damage to a part while sanding and prepping, so, took a few days back on that impulse engine housing part :(, not happy at all about that.  Oh well, getting close again to getting it complete, at least the primed and sanded part.  I did some more work on the nacelles, I have to do some more light blocking on the grills.  Since they are a single piece of acrylic, the light bounces around in there pretty good, and I had to go back in with some black paint to get the edges blocked out.  Not the end of the world, but not the perfect look I was looking for.  I am hoping hitting it with some clear flat spray will get it back to the look I want.  Otherwise, not having light leak out is a bit more important than the perfect paint line.  However, the nacelles are still progressing.  I have a couple of shots of the RCS thruster housing that goes on the nacelle.  I am super happy with how it turned out.  It will need more than a single coat of primer though to get the light blocking needed.  I am also going to see it I can sand the LED down some more and wrap it in aluminum tape.  That will have a huge effect on the light blocking and getting the light where it is needed.  Will mask my one part back up tomorrow and add a few coats of primer, that should get us there.  The biggest step taken today was an error.  I am working on making some photo etch and I have been having problems with removing the photo resist in the Sodium Carbonate.  After thinking about why, it turns out the error is due to the printer I am using.  I am using an ink jet, which does not create an opaque enough film to block all of the UV light coming off of my developer finger nail light thingy.  So, tomorrow, going to go print the transparency on a laser printer, and fingers crossed, that gets us there.  Hopefully will have the parts needed to complete the two bridges tomorrow, that would be super awesome!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 20, 2018, 11:01:33 pm
Update #18

Got the nacelles with updated paint, so far so good on the light blocking.  Still have not gotten the photo etch printed, still waiting on the transparencies that work in a laser printer.  I am hoping all works out well with that.  I have the design done for the impulse engine PE and parts going on the bridge and docking ports.  Hopefully in another few days will have some completed PE to show off.  Also, have the shapes laid into the program for all of the PE that is going on the pylons for the Enterprise.  I am using an easy to use CAD program, Silhouette Studio for Business, BUT, not a lot of power in the program, so have to get really creative to draw some of the shapes.  I am concerned with the ring that helps clean up the deflector ring on the secondary hull getting drawn up.  Hopefully will get it drawn fairly accurately. 

The pics are of all of the CNC cutting machined cut plastic parts, pretty excited about getting those done.  The machine can not go through 0.020 styrene, will try it out with the deep cut blade.  The sheet styrene was scored enough that I was able to get the parts out, they will all need some sanding before getting glued into the hull.  For the really complicated cut part, I went down to 0.010 thick styrene and cut two parts to be glued back together.  I will need to build up the courage to just scrape all of the detail off of the cast hull.

The other pic is of the PE design for the impulse engine cover.  It is close to the original part, I am running into a capability gap of the CAD program, I can not go back in and thin out some of the horizontal lines, as seen in the studio part.  I am doing some research to come up with a plan.  I have some ideas, but it would be a ton of work for this detail.  Oh, ignore the filler on the part :)

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 26, 2018, 12:50:54 pm
Hey James, this is still looking great!

In update #17, what is Slide 1? I may have missed it but I can make head nor tails of it.

Your Impulse Engines look very nice!

Keep it up!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 26, 2018, 09:42:07 pm
Steve,

That is my failed attempt at doing photo etch.  The reason why it failed was the use of an ink jet printer, the printer, even a very good one, cannot print the black dense enough to consistently block out the UV light, so the inconsistent removal of the photo resist, causing the failed effort.  I plan on printing a laser transparency tomorrow, fingers crossed.

Update #19

The battle continues via sandpaper, putty and added paint.  Lots of progress across many fronts.  I completed one of my light boxes for the warp nacelle, with all of the diffusion built in, looks great as a box, but a picture looks really bad.  Also, all of my nacelles are taped up for primer and base coat, so will not be able to verify the effect for a while.  Will take some pics when that gets done.  My laser transparency paper came in, hopefully get the printed tomorrow and get my first parts made up tomorrow night that is the goal.  Today, I got the impulse engines formed up and the clear resin poured, will take it apart tomorrow and prep the part for the white base coat, so that is exciting.  I will also be able to glue down my new 0.005 thick panels, hopefully the look cool, will add to more parts of the model if they do.  I think a little dimensionality will set this model off.  I cut my first complex shape for masking, 99% there, I can then go in and do all of the extra cuts needed to paint the sensor dome that is exciting.  The cool thing is that the outline works on both the E and R, saving some time, finally, on something, LOLOL.  The paint scheme is different between the two models.  Next pic is of the nacelles getting an area with the base coat white.  I needed to get this put down before I glue in the chiller grills.  I wanted all of the white that I will not be able to get to, to get painted, before gluing and priming.  Hopefully the final product will look great, not just good.  Next pic is of a white sensor done, excited and SAD.  The camera sure shows a lot of little nits, that I cannot see under 4x magnification :(  Last pic is of the three remaining RCS thrusters and Impulse Engine letting the resin cure, takes a day or so.  Continual progress on the model, couple hours a night, one day, will be complete!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: scottminium on March 28, 2018, 06:46:56 pm
Wow, some incredible work going on here.  Just when I think I might have figured something out along comes a real artist with a big helping of humble pie!  This is really a fun build to watch, and holy crap are there a lot of lights in the saucer section!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 02, 2018, 11:45:45 am
Scott,

Super humbled by your very kind comments.  LOL, definitely not an artist.  I am SUPER looking forward to showing people what those lights in the saucer section are going to do.

Steve,
My photo etch problem is not the ink jet, I think. :O  I ran off some transparencies on a laser printer and the opaqueness of that transfer is not much better than the ink jet.  So, I GREATLY reduced my exposure time under the UV lights, and this seems to really be working.  Still working on the correct amount of time in the soda ash bath though.  Getting better every production run though.


Update #20

The epic battle of resin model kit construction continues with the main players being sandpaper, putty, filler, elbow grease, primer, tape and paint.  Phewww, just typing that makes me sad.  The first assembly I plan on completing for both models are the nacelles and their mounting piece.  The first pic shows the warp grill side completely primed.  This is just the first coat.  I need to go back in a fix all of the little dings that I have a hard time seeing in all white.  Pictures also help to show where some issues are, the lens never lies!  You can also see the bridge for both models have their first coating of primer.  The primer on the photo etch parts is SUPER light.  I plan on putting down some white, and then actually using a wash to help bring out the PE details.  I need to start working on the masks for the bridge and planetary sensor part soon.  These piece will be magnetically attached to the saucer section.  I will need to install all of the LEDs though before the magnets go in.  Will probably do the electronics before all of the detail paint goes in, both have their pluses and minuses though.  Next pic shows the opposite side of the nacelle before gluing the chiller grills on.  I need to put down some white where the piece goes.  I have glued on the chiller grills, I have not started the putty work though on that.  Tonight.  Once both piece are primed and cleaned up, I will do a mock up assembly of both nacelle parts, I must do this so I can drill the holes needed for the strobe and crystal holes.  Then all of the electronics go in, and prep for gluing the nacelles together.  Next three pics are of my first acceptable photo etch I have been able to produce.  Most of my problems have to do with the exposure of the film and the removal of the film in the soda ash solution.  I am getting closer to the correct times on the equipment I am using.  It sucks that my pic is not focused well, but you can see how small some of the details are in the air lock door.  I would like to see the equipment a pro company uses, maybe get better on how I do the process, not sure.  So, next steps are to work the RCS thrusters onto the nacelle parts and work all of the putty work on the nacelles.  This is a few days of work.

Cheers,
James

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 03, 2018, 07:34:51 am
Looking good, James!

Your cleanliness puts me to shame!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 03, 2018, 11:55:50 am
Steve,

Thanks!!! 

Update #21

LOL, sand, putty, glue, sand, putty, glue, prime, sand, putty, sand, putty, sand, putty, prime again?  LOL  Resin kits are cool, but WOW, they are a TON of extra work.  Of course, I want to go buy some more kits!  I am looking into the studio scale Enterprise, still working on the Wife.  Hopefully, these guys get built and sold relatively quickly, then on to the 8 footer.  That would be cool, fun to dream though, right!  Unusual to post so quickly, but I got all of the RCS thrusters glued into the nacelles yesterday, and the first round of 28, putty rounds put down.  Really happy with how they went on, and the parts are pretty darn square considering how every surface is curved.  Also, these are the first parts with LEDs installed and put into the model.  I wanted to minimize the amount of material removable to get everything to fit, and making the holes big enough to install LEDs later was a sub optimal solution.  Here is my #1 tip about building lit models.

ALL LEDS THAT ARE TO BE INSTALLED INTO THE MODEL WILL HAVE A SERIES RESISTOR.

Do not ever break this rule, ever.  You will rue the day when you break this rule, and blow up an LED buried DEEP in your model, which will require major surgery to remove and major reconstructive surgery to reinstall.  Some of the electronics I have, have the series resistor on the board, these resistors will be moved to the LED, period, end of story.  Enough on that topic!

Last item, look at that amazingly straight line I cut into the nacelle by hand.  Super straight, AMAZING.  Ok, that is a little bit of sarcasm.  At least no one will every see the butcher job I did on the nacelle.  Probably no updates for a while, all I have to do is sand and putty work for the next few nights.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 06, 2018, 09:35:42 pm
Update #22

Well, here are all of the parts I have gotten through their first primer shot.  The wife is out of town this weekend, so a lot of sanding coming up.  Hopefully will get through all of the touch up on the 8 nacelle parts and the 2 bridge parts this weekend and start getting electronics in them.  This leads to a cool problem, I need to start working on the E and R pylons.  The plan is to complete the pylon and nacelle as an assembly.  The second pic, or first, depending on they upload, shows some paint being pulled up.  I left a mask on the bridge under tension for 2 weeks or so, and it damaged the paint.  I am 99% sure that all of the parts were washed, I did not use adhesion promoter though on the bridge parts, will use that on the big saucer sections for sure.  So, first paint down, and first paint repair, already, lolol, actually :(
Does not look like a lot but 2.5 months into the project, I have a bunch of filled in holes, lol and 12 grey parts, some with paint damage.  LOLOLOL.  Oh well.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 08, 2018, 08:49:39 pm
Update #23

I would show another shot of all my parts grey, but not a lot of reason to.  I got through a round of sanding and putty on them, so they are getting closer to getting done, well at least this step.  However, in the case of 1 step forward 2 back, lol, I had an epiphany while looking at plastruc at HobbyTown, with kids in tow.  I always have my best epiphanies at hobby stores.  I have been unhappy about how the grills look on the nacelles, and while looking at the styrene, why do not I stack up some styrene strips to make new grills for the front end of the nacelles.  So I am going to get some strips, I did not know what size to buy at the store, so could not get them today, but will soon.  This will allow me to clean up the front ends much nicer and to paint the grills off model, which will also present a much cleaner look.  The sanding and putty work shall continue though.  I have what I need to work on the Es pylons and get them going, so that is next on the list.

Cheers,

James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 09, 2018, 08:49:07 am
James, nice epiphany!

If the pic "presentation 1" is your's, then I wouldn't bother with rebuild; they look fine to me. But, if "presentation 1" is not yours, then do you have a plan for forming the strips? Knowing you have woodworking skill extraordinaire, are you gonna make a form from wood, then heat the strips to lay them down on the form? Sounds do-able. I would love to know how you're gonna do it! :)

Keep going and keep us informed!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 09, 2018, 11:19:56 am
The pic is from the 8 foot studio model.  I have some ideas on the strips more to come.  Will post success and or failure also.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 12, 2018, 07:46:20 pm
Update #24
So, there is a series of steps that have to happen before I can glue up the nacelles, with the largest one being getting the pylons in shape for both the E and the R.  As part of the Pylon Finishing Operation 2.0, I plan on installing a lot of CnC cut plastic inserts to clean up the mold work and also create super crisp inserts that go into these pylons.  I do not like what came on the molded parts, the detail was blurred out, and the mold line runs down the middle of it.  As a guy who has done a lot of casting, you have to put your mold line somewhere, and overall for the part and the shape of the part, you were kind of stuck putting it here.  Overall the pylons on both models are fantastic, so do not take that the wrong way!  So hopefully the first few photos are of the test cut inserts showing where they are going into the pylons.  The next two pics are of DESTRUCTION!  Oi, my Dremel work leaves a lot to be desired.  However, I am sitting at 8 or 9 rounds of putty and sanding, the inserts recesses are coming along quite nicely.  The problem is that there is some knife work required and if I screw up, I get to redo some putty and sanding work.  That has happened a few times, which is frustrating.  However, my skill level is increasing.  I can see my XP bar filling up every night I work on this, LOLOL.  If only I could grind out some levels quicker and easier though.  Last shot is of all of the wires on the Reliant pylons, looks like a lot, there are not enough, which also makes me sad.  There are 4 photon torpedoes in the roll bar, but each of those torpedoes needs 2 control wires, 2 reds and 1 white per torpedoes.  So quick wire summary for the roll bar

8 torpedoes
1 nav ?
1 strobe ?
2 phaser cannon thingies
1 evil red lights, there are 4 of them, they are one when Khan controls the ship, I did not see evidence that they are on when he does does not control the ship.  So the plan is to add another 8 wires on the other nacelle, that would give me plenty to cover the requirements and still have a few.

Looking at the wires for the nacelles there are 8 wires, with two of them being a bit larger in gauge.  One of those would be ground and the other for the warp engines.

1 warp engine, needs to be 24AWG or higher, actually caries a lot of current due to the number of LEDs in the LED tape.
1 RCS
1 Strobe
1 Nav??
1 2 lights at the front of the nacelle
2 spots?
1 warp crystal thingy

Looks like we have enough wires for the nacelles, woohoo!  The progress continues, slowly, but relentless?  LOL  Still waiting on some parts to redo the grill thingies on the nacelle, hopefully get the parts tomorrow so I can do some work on it this weekend, who knows when and how the delivery man shall delivereth. 

Hope everyone is enjoying our hobby out there!

Cheers,
 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 15, 2018, 08:40:28 pm
Update #25

Lots of coolness happening, although, all of it is TINY ITY BITY TEENY steps :(  Tons of work for literally half millimeter improvements. I will not do it this way in the future, but a good way to learn.  I did not get to work on the models as much as I would have liked, but the family had a great time at the Renaissance Fair today outside of Austin.  Lots of meat on a stick, sword fighting and the best show were the Washing Wenches. 

So the first pic is of the small steps.  The Enterprises pylons are just about done and the Reliants are well under way.  I started the Rs long after the Es, so progress is quicker.  I have gotten better at doing this.  As part of this process though, I could not figure out how to get the bottom of each of these holes to the same depth.  So I decided to cut out a ton of 0.010 thick parts that go in the bottom of the holes, and that will allow me to get the depths of all of the holes to within 0.010 of each other, which is pretty good for a resin model.  So the pic is a bunch of these parts cut out on the Cameo 3.  Which is the best present I have ever bought for the wife!

The HobbyLinc order came in on Saturday, woohoo, which allowed me to mock up my new ridged parts in both 0.030 and 0.020 thickness parts.  I am going to go with the 0.030 strips to recreate all of the ridged parts in the nacelles.  So, the clean up all of the detail in these parts and I will be able to paint both the nacelle and grill thingy off of each other allowing for some ultra-sharp transitions.  The biggest problem is going to be on the curved section for the top grill, but I think I have a good solution on these.  So, I am going to cut out some of these grills, hopefully not have a heart attack, and then make sure everything lines up. 

All of the work is coming together on the nacelles, and looking forward to getting all 4 of these mounted up, wired up, closed up and painted up.  That is a lot of Up!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 16, 2018, 08:45:28 pm
Update #26

Got the little inserts popped out for the pylons, and started to test fit them.  Still some work needed, but they are close on the E.  Once they are in, I can finish cleaning up the edges of the holes, and then shim them out so they are all the same depth.  Then, I get to wait until the pylon is painted out, then they go back in.  Progress?

The other pic is of the new grills going into the nacelles.  I had a heart attack drilling out the grill on the nacelle, and then, I told myself to be extra careful not to knock off the little sprue of resin left, and of course I dropped the nacelle, boooo, and it broke out.  Soooo, another thing to patch.  I need to get a little better making the grill replacements flatter, if that makes sense. There is a little curl on the outside, which shows some in the pic.  Over all though, these are much better than what was on the casting. 

Progress?  Some.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 18, 2018, 07:34:15 am
James, you solution looks great! I'm lovin' the detail you are putting on the ship!

Keep going!

Steve

P.S. "Washing Wenches"?! Humm....  ;)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 28, 2018, 09:36:02 pm

Thanks Steve for the continual support!  Also thanks for the support across the forum!!

Update #27

Woohoo, some real progress.  Three of the four pylons are ready for primer, and the fourth one should be good to go tomorrow.  Will get them all primed up tomorrow.  The second Reliant pylon needed 8 additional wires added to it, so they were added.  The two pics are of the trenching and gluing and backfilling of the pylon for the additional wires.  I have spent all of last weekend working on a retirement box for a fellow Airmen.  The pics are of the box and work in progress.  The multi piece board is 11 different hardwoods jointed up and glued together to make a removable tray that will hold coins and will go inside the box.  You can see the Es saucer providing support to the boards as the epoxy sets.  The wood used was spalted maple, that had also been eaten by some worms.  The worm tracks are really cool looking and add some unusualness to the box.  The dove tails are half blind with Walnut inserts, first time my Dad and I were able to accomplish it, woohoo!  So now I am sanding resin model parts and worm eaten maple!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 01, 2018, 06:45:01 pm
Update #28

I got the last pylon ready for primer, BUT, it is raining cats and dogs, so too humid to shoot paint.  Maybe tomorrow, do do not look at weather reports.  I also have most of the insert replacements built.  That was 2 nights of gluing and forming. :(  I have a little side excurision and the front nub left.  I need to modify the nacelles to take the new inserts, but I think I will tack glue the nacelles together so I can finish drilling all of the holes needed for the lights.  The crystals, nav/strobe, spotlights, and those extra lights on the Reliants nacelles.  When I modify the nacelles to take the new inserts, they are REALLY fragile, and I want to minimize the possibility of me destroying something, which unfortunately is really high.  Another :( for me.  I will take a pic of all of the primed parts this weekend.  I am running out of parts to prep for priming, SUPER excited!!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 03, 2018, 08:41:35 pm
Update #29

So I ran into a problem, took me a few minutes to realize what had happened.  When I built the nacelle jigs, to align to the rest of the model, I did not have the chiller grill parts glued onto the nacelle.  I actually LOLd when I realized that my jigs are not going to work to well.  I will need to modify them a bit to get them super sturdy again.

So the actual model stuff.  The first pic shows all of the nacelle component in the alignment jigs, they do fit, but not as well as I like.  The amount of work that has gone into these guys is stupid, but there are a lot of parts glued up, modified etc in this shot.  So, some internal happiness on my part.  The second pic shows my current issue.  The openings to house the colored crystals that go on top of the nacelles are sort of jacked up.  So, I am going to sand them relatively flat, and cut out some plastic parts on my Silhouette that will house the crystal and glue that onto the nacelle.  Will take pics, will make more sense when I do that.  I also have a plan to house and protect the LED that will light up the crystal.  Pics will show how that will work.  That leaves the hole in the back, middle, top of the nacelle for the nav/strobe light.  I will drill the 3mm hole and glue the LED into one of the nacelles.  Will take some extra super duper care to reassemble.  I had thought about cutting out some of the opposite nacelle and gluing that together, then fixing that area.  I might do that, will think on it tonight.  I am really tired and do not want to screw up the cut when I could do it tomorrow in better shape.  Long day at work, ran 3 miles, super hot today, which is a first for the year, and a lot of work on the retirement box.  I also need to drill out the holes for the spots and align them up and glue them in.  Then the rest of the electronics and interior stuff goes back into the nacelles, then cut out the front part, square it up, install new grills, and glue the sucker up.  I do not think I will get that done this weekend, but, these parts are close.

Oh, I will glue them on the pylons before I close up the nacelles, so that means Will not get done this weekend.  Closing in. 

With that done, a HUGE sub assembly will be complete.  I will probably finish priming them and base coat them, then move onto the saucer sections.  I have been in contact with another modeler to purchase a cast of the shuttle bay he built for the Enterprise, which has been delayed, due to some good reasons.  I do not want to work on the secondary hull until I get that. 

I have also been collecting parts to build the Reliant shuttle bays and shuttles themselves. 

The wood shot is of the tray that is going into the retirement box.  Will unclamp tomorrow and start the finish sanding needed.  I am hoping to get the box done next week.  Depends on the laser etch guy though.  Look forward to sharing that when done.

Keep on modeling!

Cheers,
James 

I HATE THE APOSTROPHE ISSUE
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: TK Iain on May 04, 2018, 02:26:28 am
This is amazing work.

Really enjoying watching you put these big girls together. :)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on May 04, 2018, 05:12:12 pm
You're doing some great work here, James.  The nacelle inserts looks great and will add so much dimensionality to the nacelles.  When are you going to get a 3D printer for these kinds of after market fixes?  Looking to you to pave the way as usual;) 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 06, 2018, 10:23:06 pm
Iain,

Huge thanks for the props, from an awesome builder!

A|W,

Also thanks!  I have been looking at 3D printers for 3 years.  They keep getting better and cheaper.  The printer material is also getting much cheaper.  Two issues though, I already have to know how to use 1,835 different software packages to do stuff, and I do not want to learn another.  Also, I would want to print out a ton of the Fat Dragon 3D gaming table parts, and that would derail all of my other projects.  So, will finish these first. :)

Update #30

I got one of the Reliant nacelles with the electronics installed.  Learned a few things.  The main one being that I will need to remove the grills that are cast into the nacelle before I install the electronics into the rest of the nacelles.  If all of the electronic dodads are in there, very hard to cut out, sand, and remove the excess material needed to make the new grills fit.  Will not be doing that tonight, a little late.  Another issue, the light box interferes with either the crystal light or will not fit into the nacelle.  So I had to modify the light box somewhat to clear the crystal LED and still fit into the nacelle.  Not that big of deal, took a while though.  I decided to just drill the 3mm hole in the rear of the nacelle to house the NJAV/Strobe light.  The wires that lead to the LED are glued in, and the LED is tacked down via super glue. When I hit some of the areas with epoxy, will put some epoxy on the back of the LED so you can not accidently push it into the nacelle.  That would be a DISASTER OF EPIC PROPORTIONS.  I could not imagine having to tear the thing apart to fix that error.  That would be very demoralizing.  I also will need to add some epoxy over the front two lights on the Reliant nacelle and some other points for reinforcement.  I have also added a bunch of Apoxie sculpt to allow for more surface area in the future glue up of the nacelle, and to help flatten out the curvy grill area.  All of the nacelles will need to be cleaned up and Apoxied like this.

Oh, another interesting tid bit.  The Reliant nacelles are super nice, the Enterprise ones are not.  Normally I would put the resin into some hot water to help straighten them out, but these nacelles are fiberglass impregnated, so, hot water is meaningless to them.,  Ultimately, these guys are super strong, but getting the joints flattened out on the Enterprise will take some effort, and I am concerned over the long term stability of the joint.  I might allow some what of a gap, basically minimize the gap along the entire joint, and go back in and fill.  This would have the effect of a slightly larger, maybe out of scale joint, but the model will stick together forever.  I will take some pics of what I am talking about in a future update. 

I also got a lot of work down on the retirement box, reorganized my game room, it was a disaster, updated my game ownership database, I track every LEGO and game I own.  Also saw Ready Player One with the family, great movie.   Overall a good weekend!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 07, 2018, 07:51:59 am
James, this is looking good!

One day, when I grow up, I will be a neat modeler, with precision foil tape corner folds, like you!

I love the use of a light box for the nacelle lighting! I have not seen this solution on may TMP builds.

Keep going!

Steve

I, too, saw Ready Player One and loved all the 80's Easter Eggs and nostalgia pieces peppered throughout the film! It was a good Spielberg film and Silvestri's music was awesome. I really loved Halliday's Star Trek TOS funeral flowers! I would kinda like that at my funeral, too! :)

On the retirement box - are you making your own shadow box or one for someone else? I love mine! Knowing your woodworking skills are Master's Level, maybe you can sneak a pic of it on here?!

Steve again.

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 13, 2018, 10:15:49 pm
Steve,

The box is for a good friend of mine.  I did spend some time on it this week.  We got all of the pieces back from the laser etcher guy, and I got the bottom sides glued up.  Hoping to get some more of the box put together tomorrow night.  Thanks for the nice comments!

Update #31

Have not had a lot of time to work on the models.  The time I have had, has been spent on cleaning up the nacelles.  Getting close to be done with straightening out the area that the inserts go into.  Should be one last sanding, then back to electronic installation. 

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 14, 2018, 08:15:33 pm
annnndddddd...two more putty and sanding, getting closer :(
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 15, 2018, 07:28:44 pm

Update #32

The cleanup/straightening out of the grill area on the nacelles is pretty much done.  I need to come up with a new insert that goes in between the nacelle halves.  I do not think putting this together via a bunch of strips is going to work.  I think I will design a part and cut them out on the Silhouette.  The problem and benefit of this is that the cutter can only really cut through 0.020 thick plastic.  Looking at the studio model, this insert part thingy is really thick, thicker than what I will be able to put back in, due to the current unchangeable geometry of the nacelles.  I think I will be able to get between 4 and 6 of the 0.020 thick parts sort of glued up like a laminate board.  Maybe stronger than just strip styrene, I do not know, but will find out. 

I got the other 3 light boxes for the warp engines done last night.  I think I can install the electronics now while working on the inserts.

Progress.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 16, 2018, 07:40:37 am
Looking good, James!

What are you using to glue the parts? It looks kinda globby white. Just curious!

Keep going! I'm learning lots!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 16, 2018, 06:18:00 pm
I use 5 minute epoxy and West Systems 105 epoxy.  It is white because I primed over it.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 21, 2018, 09:36:47 pm
Update #33

I have finally gotten the insert to look decent.  Took about 50 iterative attempts to get there, the angles and radii of the curves drove me NUTS.  So of course there had to be other issues,   The cutter would not cut through my 0.020 styrene, so had to drop down to 0.010 which means double the number of parts to cut, clean up and glue together.  The inserts are going to be little stacks of these cut outs glued together like a laminate.  Hope it works out well.  I need to build a little jig to compress the plastic bits together while they are glued up, to keep everything straight.  The next pic is of most of the electronics installed into the nacelles.  I do not have the Enterprise spot lights installed yet.  I have to do some assembly of the model to get the LEDs to line up properly.  I am debating on whether to glue the pylons to the nacelles to get these LEDs installed properly.  Once the nacelle is closed up, they they will not ever get opened again.  The last two pics are of the retirement box I am making for a friend.  Getting closer, but have to drive back up to Dallas to use some machine to get back to right angles.  My hand finishing could be better, oh well.  The construction of the box is about complete.  Once I get down up in Dallas, will complete the finish on the box, and then will need to order the hardware.  I have the leather that is going into the top of the box sitting in my office.

Cheers,
James