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Title: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 14, 2018, 09:33:25 pm
I like to write, A LOT, so read at your own peril.  I do this, because it is a great way for me to work through my issues, and get some feedback from all of the extremely knowledgeable people on these forums.  I am posting this in The RPF and Sci Fi Model Action forums. 

Some of you may or may not know me.  I finished a 1/350 Enterprise a few years ago and sold it.  I started work on a 1/72 Falcon and a TOS Bridge build.  Both of those projects are sitting on my shelf in various stages of completion.  For the Falcon build, I plan on keeping that model in my own collection, so not at the top of my list to work, and, I stepped on the cockpit canopy, crushing it, and that sort of crushed my will to work on the model.  She will get finished, just not now.  For my TOS Bridge build, I am on the lookout for a new display that will act as my forward viewer for the bridge.  I am also thinking of leaving this model in my collection, so not as much enthusiasm to work on it.  So, going to work on my two DeBoers kits.
I have the Enterprise with shuttle bay, and the Reliant kits.  I plan on building them concurrently.  If you have seen my older posts, I try to post EVERYTHING about what I am doing.  I will post all of the money it takes me to build it, all of the code work and hardware it takes, of course the modeling
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 14, 2018, 09:34:39 pm
HMMM, but my post cut off :(  Lookas like certain characters cause a break in the post, not sure why :(


Some of you may or may not know me.  I finished a 1/350 Enterprise a few years ago and sold it.  I started work on a 1/72 Falcon and a TOS Bridge build.  Both of those projects are sitting on my shelf in various stages of completion.  For the Falcon build, I plan on keeping that model in my own collection, so not at the top of my list to work, and, I stepped on the cockpit canopy, crushing it, and that sort of crushed my will to work on the model.  She will get finished, just not now.  For my TOS Bridge build, I am on the lookout for a new display that will act as my forward viewer for the bridge.  I am also thinking of leaving this model in my collection, so not as much enthusiasm to work on it. 

So, going to work on my two DeBoers kits.

I have the Enterprise with shuttle bay, and the Reliant kits.  I plan on building them concurrently.  If you have seen my older posts, I try to post EVERYTHING about what I am doing.  I will post all of the money it takes me to build it, all of the code work and hardware it takes, of course the modeling stuff and anything else needed to complete these guys.  Like just about everyone else on these forums, most of my work is derivative, not original.  Of course there are some original ideas in here, but a lot of it I learned/gleaned from people waaaay more knowledgeable than I am.  Here is a short list:

Simon Mercs  I have his whole video log on his DeBoers Enterprise
Orbital Drydock  he made the 5 color mask kits and has some videos on prep work for these models, I got my material listing for the fiberglass work off of those videos, I dondont know anything about fiberglass, lol.
Boyd at TrekWorks/The Model Shop  I have watched a ton of his videos, and obviously post on his forums
Steve Neill  love his shows and videos, still sad that many of his vids were taken down, a while ago.
Too many people on this forum have assisted me on my 1/350 refit, looking forward to more awesome suggestions and help!

Where to start these discussions Where to start these discussions, letlets start with what is in the pictures.  The kits are in great shape, here are some of the items I need to do:
1)   Windows need to be drilled and filed out. 
2)   Structural reinforcement
3)   Metal mounting structure probably use some sort of copper pipe and hand make them, not sure
4)   Extra surface area needs to be added to all of the major parts that are getting glued together, nacelles and saucers, especially.
5)   Need to build some jigs so I can aim the spotlight effects that go from the nacelles to the saucer section.  I REALLY dont have a large enough booth to air brush in
6)   Take a look and see if how I did the nacelle warp engine effects will work at this slightly larger scale
7)   Scratch build an arboretum Enterprise
8)   Scratch build some sort of Office thingy Enterprise
9)   Scratch build two shuttle bays Reliant might look for some sort of loading dock model kit in Z scale I think is the scale. 
10)   Upgrade the Enterprises shuttle bay
11)   Investigate the possibility of doing a motorized shuttle bay doors on the E, I talked to a mechanical engineer friend, she laughed at me when she saw the size of the area to work with!
12)    Light blocking, I used aluminum tape on my 1/350, 12)    Light blocking, I used aluminum tape on my 1/350, WONT be doing that again, adds to much weight.  I will test of a couple of different ideas, using different types of paint.
13)   Print light boxes my wife and I want to buy a 3D printer, great use to print out a bunch of light boxes.  I dont like the idea of just using a strip of LEDs to light whole sections.  If they are all individual, I can do some really cool effects via my Arduino.
14)   Main dish on the E I want to transition colors on it
15)   RCS thrusters -  will be on both models during station keeping or impulse movement
16)   For the Reliant, I want to do an Evil and Good version.  Basically, they used some Red lights to highlight differences on the ship when Khan was in charge, want to make that a switch.
17)   Need to go back over my lighting plan, it is attached to this post.
18)   I am going to do a 5 color paint scheme on these models.  I will be taking another popular 5 color masking set, up scaling it for the E and modifying it for the R and making them.  My wife has a computer controlled cutting tool that will allow me to do this, forgot the name of it though.  Silhouette I think.
19)   The bases for both models will be based off of the movie.  I really want to be able to play the movie on a display built into the base and have a bunch of cool effects in there.  Will draw something up and take some pics of what I want in there.
20)   EVERY resistor that is in a model, will have a resistor in series.  I will not change this, WAAAY to easy to blow up an LED without this.  Also, I used very high output LED lights that will be run in low power to increase their life span, I want over 20,000 MTBF on this guys.  I am thinking if I could somehow make them replaceable, not sure if that is possible though. 
21)   I need photo etch for both of these models.  I know that Elliot Brown makes it for the E and has even sold some of these kits.  However, he never answers any of my emails, not sure if I am being blocked or he doesnt like me :O
22)   I will be using the McKenzie Polytranspar Super Hide white as my base coat and their iridescent paints
23)   I will be using Vallejo acrylics for pretty much everything else.  Ease of use and they dont kill my brain cells is a definite plus on their use!
24)   Trek Modelers painting guide, a great reference on how to paint this model, and worth the $s to purchase.  I really like the green, so probably will do a green on the secondary hull instead of blue.  Arguments will now commence, lol.
25)   There will be some acrylic work, I have used Laser Fire Creations on multiple projects, great guy and great support.
26)   I want to revisit the clear material I used in my port holes.  I can go with the resin I used before, but not sure.  The holes are a bit bigger this time, so might be easier to do.  It was a PAIN to get all of the air bubbles out of the resin last time.  I have to go find the name of the stuff, but it can be purchased at Hobby Lobby or Michaels.  ClearCast I think. 
27)   I bought some new air brushes, I was using cheapo ones before, and they always had troubles working.  I now own some nice ones, fingers crossed on them working well!
28)   Panel lines and sensor lines on the saucer?  Not sure on this, I SUCK at scribing. 
29)   OH, LASERS, I am putting LASERS in these, not sure how many, how much wattage etc, but LASERS.
30)   I am sure there is more!
As I purchase stuff, I usually link where I bought it, so you can hopefully either save time or let me know of a better place to go get it!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 14, 2018, 09:51:10 pm
Update #1
Was able to work on the kit for many hours today, mainly just sanded and order material.  Oh, in the above post, you see some of the lighting plan for each model, this is about 10 pages for each model, and the numbers are there for me to hook into a my Mega Arduino control board.  Enough on that. 

Some help I am looking for.
1)   Does anyone know where I can get some shuttles and worker bees in rough scale to this model?  I have been looking and no luck.
2)   I have seen that Elliot Brown has released a photo etch kit for the Enterprise, anyone know for sure, and also how the heck to buy one, I would love to throw some money at him to get a set!
3)   

Ordered a bunch of material, here is a listing.  I am new to working in fiberglass, so, I took my BOM from Orbital Drydock
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: AlW on January 15, 2018, 06:16:48 am
Hey James, welcome back to the forum!  Last we heard, you were off to Qatar and Afghanistan.  You and your epic builds were sorely missed.  Can't tell you how many times I leaned on your Refit WIP for guidance.  Best of luck on the DeBoers builds.  Al
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: scottminium on January 15, 2018, 01:20:56 pm
getting wires through the roll bar 'struts' looks fun!  That's a lot of wires.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 15, 2018, 07:58:13 pm
Can anyone look on the back of their Orbital Drydock masks and tell me the material the grey green masks are made from?  I have the yellow sheet, trying to figure out what was used for all of the other vinyl.  Please PM me the info.  No one makes a 5 color masking set for this, and I want to use the same material used in Brett's set.  Also, anyone have an idea what the transfer material was?  I have basically moved twice since my last modeling frenzy, and missing a lot of stuff, I am sure it is here somewhere, just can't find it.  :(

Thanks,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 15, 2018, 08:25:42 pm
Al,

Thanks for the welcome back!  I am back from Qatar, living with the family again, and I have a 16 month window or so to get these two models completed, so off to the races!

James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 16, 2018, 09:46:55 pm
Update #2

I am all over the place, trying to identify areas that need me to go order something to continue making progress on the model. 

Shot an email to Dennis to see if I could get a part in clear, no problem.  I want to get the impulse engines cast in clear.  That way, all I will need is the photo etch to overlay, save some serious time, and my scratch skills are not the greatest.

I spoke with Stan at Starling tech.  I plan on using some of his board for some of the effects on the model.  I REALLY like his deflector dish effect and he has the torpedoes with sound effect.  Both of these will save me a ton of time.  Also, Stan has given me great customer support.  I can
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 16, 2018, 10:10:00 pm
Super awesome news, at least for me, I have been able to speak to Eliot B on the photo etch parts.  The two biggest areas of arse pain and unknowns are pretty much addressed, masks and photo etch.   The stars are aligning!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 17, 2018, 08:21:52 pm
Update #3
Spoke with Lou D, the masks are on order.  The mask set is missing a few details, I have a Silhouette, and I am going to put the wife to work creating the masks that I am missing.  I am one lucky guy.
Spoke with Eliot B, the photo etch for the E is on order, plus some really cool parts he made for this kit.  Looking forward to being able to share them with everyone.  Still working on the R
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 18, 2018, 07:26:41 am
James, Welcome back from the sandbox!

This is looking good! I've only seen one other DeBoers build (NemVia's) so this will be very interesting to watch come together.

Steady as she goes.

Steve

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 18, 2018, 09:53:25 pm
Steve,

Thanks for the welcome back!  Super excited to be building again!

Update #4

Masking set has been ordered, woohoo!  Figured out how to get the windows drilled to a level of horizontalness that I can deal with.  I don
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 20, 2018, 11:44:59 pm
Update #5
While it doesn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: greg on January 22, 2018, 01:18:51 am
HMMM, but my post cut off :(  Lookas like certain characters cause a break in the post, not sure why :(
I had the same problem and it drove me bonkers. It was the apostrophe. I had copied text from a different source and instead of the straight up and down apostrophe, it was the curved one. It's a different ASCII code and the software here doesn't recognize it. Be careful, and I am sure the curved quotation marks will do the same.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 22, 2018, 08:33:30 am
James, your drill outs (windows) look great! Keep going!

HMMM, but my post cut off :(  Lookas like certain characters cause a break in the post, not sure why :(
I had the same problem and it drove me bonkers. It was the apostrophe. I had copied text from a different source and instead of the straight up and down apostrophe, it was the curved one. It's a different ASCII code and the software here doesn't recognize it. Be careful, and I am sure the curved quotation marks will do the same.

To further the discussion - if you write anything in MSWord, for example, most of the special characters will cause the complier to freakout and drop anything following the special character. I've taken to writing most things while online to avoid any dropped messages, posts, and thoughts. Be careful here as well, if you have been logged on to long and then try and post - it will error out and drop your post, too!

Awesome site! But use at bloggers risk!  ;D ;D

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 24, 2018, 08:30:13 pm
The solution to the text cutting off is to past it as plain text, that corrects the problems.  No issues since I have been doing that.

Never mind, it cut off my post from the crooked apostrophe.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers E and R Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 24, 2018, 08:30:56 pm
Update #6
More tons of effort, and it sure doesnt look like it   Good news first, I received in the Lou Ds masking set for the E and the R.  They look amazing!!!  I cant wait to paint, but a whole lot of stuff has to happen first, lol.  I have been working with Stan on the effects board for the Reliant, more to come on that.  Been talking to Matt at Laser Fire Creations, and hopefully will get a set of more accurate nacelle engine clear parts for the nacelles, these are being CNCd from a block of acrylic, so they are AMAZING!!  I cant wait to share some pics of them. 

So, not bad news but wow, painfully slow.  There is a pic below of the 8 square windows on the saucer section that was almost 2 hours of filing away, and still not square enough for me.  I am getting better with my files, and depending on where on the file you file, you can get more or less square.  A defect of the manufacturing process.  I would pay good money to get a set of small files that are actually square and flat.

Lots of work on reinforcing the main saucer for, on the E, where it connects to the secondary hull.  I need to make a metal plate that will be epoxied into the saucer and that the screws will tighten down on.  I hope that makes sense.  I want to maximize the area that the screws apply pressure when I connect the saucer and secondary hull together.  Lots of work on the R hull where the nacelles connect to the hull and where the mounting pole will enter into the hull.  These model might weigh 20 pounds when complete, but spread that over 16 square inches or so, no issue with joint failure.  The hard part is determining where to drill the hull, hard to figure out the center point of the model when it isnt done.

The windows are 98$ done.  I have ordered the resin I will use to fill the holes, and that is the next big step on these models, so cant do much on the main hulls until that material arrives, which is poor planning on my part.

Taking 2 days of leave, and heading up to Dallas to build the assembly jigs for the models.  You might think this is a little early, but I need the assembly jig so I can aim the spot light LED effects that go from the nacelles on to the main and secondary hulls.

Starting to rough in the torpedo housing for the R.  WOW, lots of work, and still a lot to go.  Everything sort of lines up, but going to be painful to get it looking perfect.

One cool thing, working my way, chronologically, through all of the James Bond movies.  Has been quite a while since I have seen them.  They help pass the time as I sand and file away. 

This is my first large scale resin model effort.  Huge props to those who have finished these, and huge props to those who put their work online and allow for us to learn from!

Random photo of the new LEGO UCS Falcon, amazing kit.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on January 25, 2018, 05:18:01 am
Good progress, James.  Just curious to know what you provided Laser Fire Creations to make more accurate engine nacelles.  Did you do a 3D rendering for them or something else?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 25, 2018, 07:29:46 am
James, looking good!

It's great that you are planning so far ahead for this project. But just a quick question: Why are you taking leave for Dallas?! Is there a fabrication specialist there? Just curious.

Love the reinforcements you have going. Can't wait to see your other solutions!

Looking sharp, Mr. Sulu!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 25, 2018, 08:33:02 pm
Update #7

I received in the 1:350 shuttles, still do not know if I am going to use them.  I am going to do a test build out of the shuttle bay with some of the Z scale minis I got on ebay and see how it looks.  The Travel pod actually works pretty well, I plan on attaching one on the side of the secondary hull at some point.  Recreate when Kirk first lands on the new Enterprise. 

Working on the RCS thrusters on the top of the E and R, only the E is pictured.  The resin I am using is called Art Resin, bought it on Amazon.  It has some built in UV protection and wow, it is really clear, gives me hope that the RCS thrusters are going to turn out well.  The only issue, it needs 12 hours or so to set, and 72 to completely harden.  So can not touch the saucer tops until tomorrow.

Cheers,
James

Al,
Good progress, James.  Just curious to know what you provided Laser Fire Creations to make more accurate engine nacelles.  Did you do a 3D rendering for them or something else?  Thanks!

Matt actually has the DeBoers Enterprise, and has not build it.  I am sort of helping him make some progress on his.  He also cut the other side of the nacelle with his CNCmachine.  The guy is an artist with his CNC machine. 

Steve,
It's great that you are planning so far ahead for this project. But just a quick question: Why are you taking leave for Dallas?! Is there a fabrication specialist there? Just curious.

There is a specialist there, my Dad. LOL, due to PCS weight requirements, and in general never having a garage, all of my wood working tools are up there.  Band saw, jointer, planer, table saw, router table, shop smith etc.  Gives me a good reason to hang out with my Dad, which we both really enjoy, making sawdust is always a great thing!  I have attached some pics of a gaming table he and I built, the top has two sides, and is removable.  You set your game up underneath, so you can leave it set up.  One of my other hobbies is gaming.  The pics show the table built, I have not completed the finish on it, too much stuff on top of it atm.  That is what always happens though, if there is a horizontal surface, something must be placed on top of it!  I spent two weeks with him building this in between Afghanistan and Qatar. 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 25, 2018, 08:35:52 pm
Here is a pic of the opposite side of the nacelle.  The channels he cut were about 1/16 inch deep, which really adds some pop.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: DaveMondo on January 26, 2018, 09:06:08 am
Fantastic work so far. Looking forward to watching this move forward.

Dave
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 28, 2018, 06:28:48 pm
Update #8

Lots of work getting done on the light boxes and other LEDs that need installation.  I am not installing them yet.  Since the models are getting driven long distances and the windows are not in yet, just building the light boxes that are going everywhere.  Will install them after the windows go in. 

One item I noticed is that the lasers will need to laze through a light box, will figure that out when I get there.  Also, you can not buy a high power laser, I guess they are regulated to keep idiots from shining them at planes, which I guess is a good thing.  So, I am buying parts and see if I can not build my own.

Stan has the custom load of software done on the effects boards.  Should see those at some point.  The effects allow for 2 LEDs per torpedo tube on the Reliant, both front and rear.  Basically, all 4 will now have the white and red LED effect, which I think is the best out there.  Also, both models should have a laser effect.

I have the RCS thrusters poured for the Enterprise, still need to do the Reliant, however, need to file out the holes for the bottom half of the saucer.  I have done some work on the secondary hull for the Enterprise.  Instead of using the crystal clear Art Resin, which is amazing stuff, but takes basically 2 days to cure, I am going to use the Lang dental material for the RCS thrusters on the secondary hull.

I have the RCS thrusters on the nacelles drilled/formed out, but still not sure on which filler material I am going to use.  The Art Resin is too viscous, and I do not think I can pack the Lang dental material in there.  So, I might be stuck having to go get a third  filler material just for the RCS thrusters, which makes me have a  again.

You can also see the reinforcement on the saucer sections for the E and the R.  The Reliant hull is WAAAAAYYYY more rigid now with the added resin in the back portion.  I left an area un painted to allow for additional material to be installed.  When I put the mount in, I plan on fiber glassing/resining over the mount to give it tremendous strength, would hate for the mount to break that would be a REALLY bad day.

You can also see that I have taped together assemblies and done some rough part putting together to get ready to build the assembly jigs later this week.

I need to find a better picture compressor 

Back to work!

Cheers,
James


Dave,

Thanks for the kind words!  Moving forward about as fast as I can go.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on January 29, 2018, 07:28:18 am
James!

There is a specialist there, my Dad. LOL, due to PCS weight requirements, and in general never having a garage, all of my wood working tools are up there.  Band saw, jointer, planer, table saw, router table, shop smith etc.  Gives me a good reason to hang out with my Dad, which we both really enjoy, making sawdust is always a great thing!  I have attached some pics of a gaming table he and I built, the top has two sides, and is removable.  You set your game up underneath, so you can leave it set up.  One of my other hobbies is gaming.  The pics show the table built, I have not completed the finish on it, too much stuff on top of it atm.  That is what always happens though, if there is a horizontal surface, something must be placed on top of it!  I spent two weeks with him building this in between Afghanistan and Qatar.

DUDE! That gaming table is WOW! AWESOME!! I mean, not to overstate or anything - if this is indicative of your woodworking skills this build will truly be a work of art! Besides, if you ever retire/get out of Active Duty, you can always start your own business doing furniture! Beautiful!

Okay, I'll calm down now.


The build is looking good, though.

About the picture compression - just wondering, if you are taking them with a DSRL, are you taking them as .raw or .jpg? Also, the size of the pic (how many pixels per pic) may be set too high for posting here without compression.

Also, and I am cautious after the photobucket money grab scandal, third party media hosting sites (like Imgur or Flickr) may allow you to paste links here and not worry about compression issues.

Just a thought. I would hate to miss out on seeing your work in all it's glory!

Steady as she goes.

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on January 29, 2018, 10:36:20 pm
Update #9

Not a lot of progress, even with a lot of hours tonight.  I did my first re-work.  I was pulling the molds off of the RCS thrusters on the Es saucer, and noticed that I did not square out two of the holes.  Soooo, got to remove all of the resin, square out the holes, and I need to recast that thruster, will have to wait until after the jig construction.

I spent most of the evening working on the planetary sensor on the bottom of the Es saucer.  I need to figure out how to put some sort of putty, probably Apoxi sculpt in between the sensor and hull, pull the sensor down tight and allow to cure.  This should get rid of the mold lines.  Also, looking at the lighting plan, I am not sure on what surface I will need to mount the spot light LEDs for the bottom saucer.  I plan on also doing the same exact thing on the Reliant.  I do not recall seeing this in the STIIWoK, but, it is so COOL that it must be on the model.  I will figure out how to get the red LEDs in there also. 

The sensor will be removable and attached via magnet, so, this will make mounting the LEDs on the sensor itself more problematic, but doable.  The LEDs at the rear of the sensor will be mounted in the sensor regardless.  This will make painting this section WAAAAAAAYYYY easier to get super crisp lines.  Having such a large model presents some challenges, but offers up different solutions from what I could do on the Polar Lights kit.

I could not find my 50,000 MCD LED lights, darn PCS, so had to order some more.  I am using these ultra bright LEDs as the spotlight source on the bottom of the saucer.

Having a blast!

Cheers,
James


Steve,

Thanks for the compliments, I had a blast building that with my Dad.  We used the Wood Whisperer design and ordered the wood from a place called Bell Forest Products.  Most of the table is made out of Wenge, with Gaboon Ebony, Holly, Snakewood, Cocobolo, Birds Eye Maple, Indian Rosewood, arrgg and a few others as the inlay board.  It took me several months to find a Holly board long enough to do the outline for the inlay in a single piece on the long edges.  Building furniture for profit is a lot like building models for a profit, can be done, if you like being poor.  A great hobby that pays for itself though!

I do not want to host any pictures on a third party server.  I do all of my hosting direct on Boyds site, but have to be under 200K.  HOWEVER, my new work flow is to put the pics in Power Point, compress and print out as a JPEG, this is working faster than the old method, so will continue on, and it gives much better results!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 02, 2018, 08:03:08 pm
Update #10

Spent the last few days travelling back and forth from Dallas.  Was able to get all of the jigs 90% built for the models.  I need to finish up some sanding and adding the last of the bottom braces on.  The braces will increase the stability of the jigs, as the parts get heavier.  See the models in a rough state is super motivating.  I should get started on filling in the windows tomorrow.  Might get that completed this weekend, not sure.  After that, I can start installing electronics into the hulls.  I am still stuck on assembly order.  I need to start cutting to get the Es impulse engine on and see how that hole matches up with the screws needed to seat the saucer to the secondary hull.  I think I will paint the completed saucer as a single assembly and the engines/secondary hull as an assembly.  Not sure on that yet.

I got the deflector control circuit in today from Starling Tech.  Looking great, cannot wait to get the code written on my Arduino to get it to work properly.  Stan has been amazing at supporting this build.

Also, I got in my DC power supply, been wanting one for quite a while.  Going to order a 4 channel oscilloscope, which is really needed when I start writing the code for the debug side.  The debugger and external LEDs only get you so far.  I have wanted an Oscope ever since I left my last hardware design gig,

I also received the machined acrylic nacelle warp grills.  They are FANTASTIC and look VERY close to the studio models, so these fix one of the issues with the Deboers kits.

The jigs are better than what I expected.  The Es secondary hull is set, but the engines are very adjustable, and I can adjust the front saucer support.  On the R, the main hull is set, and I can adjust the engines quite well.

Oh, one last thing, the table is 8 foot long that the two models are sitting on, they are quite large.

Lots of good things happening, and the progress is cranking along.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 04, 2018, 09:40:19 pm
Update #11

Just finished the Super Bowl, was exciting, sucked that the Cowboys could not win it though.  The pictures are not terribly exciting visually, but to me, they are AWESOME!  I am working on getting all of the windows poured into the various hull pieces.  I can only do 1 section a night, not including re-works.  Although, night two has gone much better on getting the resin into the holes.  I used my Dremel with a pyramid looking bit to hollow out the area behind the port hole.  I added a cross section in the pics to show you what I am talking about.  This is working REALLY well in getting the little bubbles out.  Another bonus is that there is much more room in these holes than on the Polar Lights 1/350 version.  So, another 8 nights or so of this.  While the windows are going in, going to work on getting my custom made nacelle grills installed on the E.  Can not wait to show some pics of this, and how much more accurate they are compared to the base model.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 06, 2018, 07:54:11 am
Looking great so far, James!

That is a big ship!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 19, 2018, 07:28:48 pm
Update #12

Has been a while since the last update, but all I have been doing is installing the windows throughout the ship.  I have the Reliant done and the Saucer for the E, still working on the secondary hull.  I went ahead and drilled out the work I had done, I believe I can get them better.  As part of the windowing, I did some experimenting.  On one set of windows I sanded both sides, inside and out, to 600 grit, and on another set, I only sanded the exterior to 600 grit.  I really could not tell a difference, so I do not think the extra work of sanding the inside will get done.  Another problem I have is diffusing the light equally across the little port holes.  I came up with a couple different diffusion ideas, I am going to go with a double layer.  The pictures show a curve, which worked the best, however, I do not want to leave anything under a load.  I would be basically taping a spring inside a box that I could not get to when it came undone, and under load, the tape, even the tape I use, will eventually fail so double straight pieces.  I also played around with different voltages.  My new DC power supply came in super handy for this and worked AWESOME to allow me to see what voltage I should use.  I want to send the lowest amount of current to the LEDs as possible and still have a good looking light.  Lower current should mean much longer life.  Last picture shows some primer and the mask on the portholes.  The masking and primer cleaned up and straightened out the windows super awesome.  Worked better than I had hoped for.  I made sure to elongate each window up or down to ensure that a straight line of windows is doable.  I think this works as well as it does because there is no direct light on these windows.  I have started doing body work on the models, sanding and cleaning.  I do not want to start installing electronic stuff into the hulls until the large work is done on the bodies.  Would probably just tear up everything I installed otherwise.  My next post is about cleaning up those nits.  I did not let the primer cure overnight, so it was a little soft that is ok.  Also, the masks left some residue on the model, which is a little concerning.  More work with the masks is needed.  Also, my skill at picking masks off a painted model, and not scratching anything have degraded.  However, the 5 color masking requirements will solve that issue, rather quickly.

Cheers,
James


Steve,

Thanks for the good vibes!

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 19, 2018, 07:41:35 pm

Update #12.1

I am seeking some advice.  When the Reliant was pulled from the mold, there was a lot of little air bubbles trapped throughout and I am trying to figure out the best way to repair them.  I am working with Liquidtex Modeling Paste, new for me.  Seems ok.  I have also used an Evercoat Metal Glaze UJltra a bondo like material, which sands amazingly well.  I use Apoxie sculpt and something called perfect plastic putty.  The Liquidtex goes in decently and sands well, but WOW, an incredibly painful process.  What have other people done?  Am I better off just sanding the area flat and putting the detail back in?  I do not know, curious as to what some other folks have done on resin kits.  Any thoughts greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 20, 2018, 07:39:54 am
Hey, James,

Commentary about the bad molding process aside, that is a real mess.

I understand the surface area with the bubbles is quite large, given your photos, so I would tackle it one "area" at a time. I have used Perfect Plastic Putty (PPP) to fill windows that were too big and I have seen others use it to fill grid lines on the old TOS E 350 saucer with great success. I have also used nail acrylic and monomer to "paint" in the defect and shaped it once it was cured (15 mins). It finishes well.

If it were me, I would paint/smash/smear PPP into the defect in a small area, then shape it as best I could with an instrument till it set. Then, after the set, try scraping the detail back in or use a dremel, on its slowest speed, and a bur to shape the set material.

Or you could ask for a replacement piece from the maker.

Either way, a tough row to hoe!

Good luck!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on February 20, 2018, 08:08:02 am
James, I'm working on a resin kit now with similar bubbles and voids, and I've found that watering down the Liquitex Modeling Paste into more of a slurry than a paste to be the best solution.  Per Steve's suggestion, I've also used PPP but keep in mind you may not get the best adhesion to resin surfaces with PPP as it's formulated for plastic.  Also, since Liquitex is made from fine marble dust, it sands perfectly smooth with wet sanding.  After thinning it with 20% water, I spatula it on and use either a putty knife or flexible squeegee to smooth it into the bubbles and remove any excess.  Wet sanding afterward with 320, 600 and 1200 paper and sponges yields a good looking surface.

I've also used Milliput, which is great for larger seams and voids in resin, but not as good for smaller gaps and bubbles.  For smaller resin seams, Zap a Gap CA glue works fine.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on February 20, 2018, 03:16:32 pm
James, I thought I'd attach a few photos of what I was referring to in my post above.  I'm re-working the Masterpiece TWA Moonliner resin kit because the major longitudinal seams on the fuselage have issues and the fuselage actually concaves towards it's midsection at another major seam.  In addition, there's the usual pits and bubbles of the sort you've found on your DeBoers kits on the landing legs, etc.

In the photos that follow, you'll see heavily sanded resin (where it's mottled from sanding), bright white sanded Milliput Putty, and then very pale white, water-diluted Liquitex.  It's been weeks of work to get it ready for priming, but all these different materials and chemistries seem to work okay together.

Hope this helps and good luck!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 20, 2018, 10:42:55 pm
Thanks for the great ideas.  I think I am going to go with watered down Liquidtex, I  hadn't even thought of watering it down. 

I was talking to my wife last night, here Cameo Silhouette will cut 10 mil plastic.  I think I will try and cut out some pieces and take a look at just sanding everything flat and rebuilding the panels.  More thought required, however, half of the fun is the thinking!

Cheers,
James 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on February 26, 2018, 08:21:20 am
More thought required, however, half of the fun is the thinking!

Gaston: "LeFou, I'm afraid I've been thinking..."

LeFou: "...a dangerous passtime..."

Gaston: "...I know!"

 ;D

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on February 28, 2018, 09:07:06 pm
Update #13

Lots and lots of work, but really boring looking.  Lots of prep work on the parts, sanding, I am redoing the panel lines, so I do not lose them when I paint.  My scribing skills are getting better, a lot of that has to do with having a sharp tool. :O  Lots of work with Apoxie sculpt getting the pieces to fit together perfectly.  There are several pieces that will be magnetically attached to the model, do to assembly issues and painting issues, and require a lot of work upfront to get the pieces to minimize joint lines.  My sculpting skills are also improving.   I got the 4 CNC machined acrylic grills back from Laser Fire creations, and they are amazing.  I modified all 4 nacelles to accept them and they are currently curing with some West Systems epoxy.  The good thing is that all of the rigidity of the nacelle was gone, after they were modified to receive the part, so I am glad that they are gluing and that there is some strength there again.  I have fiddle farted with the software for the cutting machine, pretty easy to use, I need to start working on all of the Reliant replacement pieces for the bottom.  I have ordered a roll of Oramask 810S for the additional paint masks needed.  I LOVE the work that Lou has done on his masks, but I want to do the refit, which will require a large number of new masks to be made.  I am looking forward to that challenge.  I have designed and made PCBs in the past, so not that hard to switch over to do some photo etch parts.  I am pulling together the pieces/parts to make that happen.  I am still hopeful to get the kit from Eliot, but regardless, I will need to develop some parts for the Reliant.  I have also done a ton of paint research work.  I have attached it all below.  AK has made a new line of lacquer paints, I am going to try those out.  I noticed in all of my previous work that lacquer has NEVER been damaged or pulled up from masking material, however, I have had several occasions where the water based acrylic paint has come up with the masks.  So, hope this works out.  come up with the masks.  So, hope this works out.  I will not be able to do all of the colors in lacquer, but at least I am hoping I can get the Reliant aztecing done with a range of lacquer based greys.  Fingers crossed.  I also will need to get my air brush set up back and running soon.  I need to go find some parts, too many PCSs, stuff disappears   I have also settled on the LEDs that are going to do the spotlight effect, when I get them made up, will take some pics.  They are 15 degree 55K MCD LEDs, so I am sanding two of them down and gluing them together to get an approximately 30 degree cone of light.  I like the look so far.  More pics on that a bit later.

Enterprise Paint
Model Master Name   #           Acril    #   Vallejo Name      #   Model Air #
Flat Pale Green      FS34227   4739           Green Sky              974      95
Neutral Gray      FS36270   4757           Medium Sea Grey   870
White         FS37875   4769           White         951      1
                                  Off White              820
Gull Gray              FS36440   4763           Deck Tan                              986      45
Light Sea Gray      FS36307   4759           Stone Grey***       884
US Navy/Blue Gray   M-485   4847           Dark Blue Grey      904      
Euro 1 Gray      FS36081   4750           Grey Green      866      55
Insignia Yellow      FS33538   4721           Flat Yellow              953      2   
                                  Golden Yellow      948      2
Radome Tan      FS33613   4722           Beige         917      74
Light Gray              FS36495   4765           Pale Grey Blue      907      
Clear Blue                    4658           Transparent Blue   938
Clear Red                    4630           Transparent Red           934
Testors Copper - 1151      4217           Copper         999
Tamiya Light Blue XF23            Light Green Blue   972      8
                                  Grey Green      971   
Model Master White Primer                 Surface Primer White   73600
Gray Primer                       Surface Primer Grey   73601



Need 4 Green/Grays for the Strong Back


Reliant Paint Colors Reliant Paint Colors  From AMT Instructions
Duck Egg Blue      FS35622   1722   ?????
Light Ghost Grey   FS36375   1728   Sky Grey      989
Flat Black      FS37038   1749   Black         950
British Crimson      99999      2009   Cavalry Brown      982
Insignia White      FS17875   1745   Gloss White      842
Intermediate Blue   FS35164   1720   Intermediate Blue    903
Aluminium      99999       
Flat Yellow      99999        
Gloss Black      FS17038   1747   Black         950
Copper         99999      
Green         99999      1734   Intermediate Green   891
Insignia Red      FS31136   1705   Flat Red      957

From NemVia
Light Grey      FS36495   1732   Pale Grey Blue      907
Underside Blue      FS15200   2123
Intermediate Blue   FS35164   1720   Intermediate Blue    903



Color Build Up
4 different shades of colors on the entire engine.
1)   Model Master Light Grey #1732 that was thinned out with paint thinner
2)   Dark off-white made with 2 parts MM #1732 Light gray, and 1 part MM #1768 Flat white.
3)   Light blueish color called Underside Blue MM#2123. This will be lightened with 2 parts Flat White MM#1732
4)   Off-White made with 2 parts Flat White MM#1732 and one part Light Gray MM#1768.
The darker colors are sprayed intermediate blue, the bridge dome is sprayed aluminum and the phaser turrets are deep yellow. These are allowed to dry for one day, then I applied 2 coats of Gloss Cote for the decals.

Look into using
White Grey       993
Sky Grey       989
Medium Sea Grey     870

Bluish - Light Sea Grey 973 mixed with white
Bluish - Sky Blue 961

AK Lacquers
White Grey
Flat White
Light Grey
NATO Black
Signal Red
Ochre
Pale Blue
Pale Grey
Egyptian Desert San
Clear Blue
Pale Sand
Maize Yellow
Libyan Army Desert Grey
Orange
Deck Tan
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 02, 2018, 09:19:13 pm
Update #14

Wow, got to use the vinyl cutter for the first time and WOWOWOWOW, super looking forward to cutting custom masks for whatever is needed.  I cut strips that are going down into the nacelles, and actually getting ready to paint the first one tomorrow.  The first part to get finish paint, super excited, and only 6 weeks into this, LOLOL.  I guess that is fast, not sure.  The planetary sensors are through their first round of primer, and came out better than I had hoped, got everything cleaned up, and waiting for sunlight tomorrow to put down the second light coat of primer on them.  Working the fitting and puttying of the impulse engine crystal component.  Takes a few days, apoxie takes at least 16 hours or so before I will sand on it.  Coming along nicely though, and getting better at the whole thing.  Hopefully get the nacelle grill painted tomorrow, and start building the warp engine light boxes.  I want a painted grill to test my designs on.  Everything is moving along. 

On the equipment side, I could not find my exhaust duct thingy for my little airbrush booth, so ordered another on Ebay.  Once that gets in, I can set up my airbrush station, and start laying down final paint on some parts!  Just about done researching everything needed to do my own photo etch, will need to buy a UV light, a tank to etch in, probably get a bubbler/heated tank and the hard part, l learn another software package to draw up what I need.  I have been drawing up the replacement parts for the bottom of the Reliant, maybe cut some plastic tomorrow.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 04, 2018, 11:00:37 pm
Update #15

Tons of sanding, some priming, and a single piece of finished paint I needed to start work on the light boxes for the warp nacelles and I am pretty happy with the results.  There is some light leaks that need to be addressed, but not worried at all on that part.  I also went ahead and did a cut run for the Reliant replacement parts on the bottom.  I did it in card stock, and there is some tweaking needed, couple of parts to short and 1 too long, but overall, really nice, and the hard parts, angles, are all within a degree or so.  I need to finish up a few more parts, then cut some plastic, then sand that sucker flat.  So many bubbles.....gone....woohoo!

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on March 05, 2018, 04:52:12 am
Those engine grilles are sharp!  That new vinyl cutter will spoil you!  Can't wait to see what you do with your own PE;)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 11, 2018, 11:03:49 pm
Thanks A|W!

Update #16

The sanding and prepping continues.  I have been working on the nacelle chiller parts, prepping them to be glued onto the nacelle.  They need to be primed and then the base white paint painted onto the inside portion of the part.  Much easier to paint that now, with the part off.  The only problem, I have to finish putting my airbrush stuff back together, which has required some parts to be ordered.  I needed a new hose and I need to track down a power supply for my booth.  I got primer down on the impulse engine assembly for the E, and I am REALLY unhappy with how my panel lines look.  They look like crap. :(  Soooo, I am in the process of filling and sanding.  In order to put the panel lines back in better, I cut out some stencils to use as something to trace against, but I really like how they look.  I went ahead and cut some 0.010 thick plastic parts out, and will glue those on and prime it up.  Fingers crossed, I think they are going to look good.  The last pic is of some 3mm FO line installed into the Es secondary hull.  Most people just shoot some light up there, but I want to be able to turn individual sections on and off, and I can not fit a light box in there, so, FO time.  The good and bad, the glue that was holding that part of the hull together sort of failed.  I needed to drill to make a hole large enough to use a coat hanger to help guide the FO down the neck, and the parts separated. Good to find out now, will go in and reinforce the area some when I close it all back up.  I have also done some RCS thruster work on one of the nacelle parts.  Unlike the saucers, which are easy to fill with some clear resin and light, these parts a little trickery.  So, I cut part of the nacelle part off and poured in some clear resin.  Going to do some testing on the results over the next few days.  If happy, will do the other 3 parts.  A little closer to getting the nacelles done.

Also, all of my photo etch etching stuff came in.  I have yet to mess with that, soon.  I was thinking of doing some custom etch to clean up the nacelles on the outside.  There are a lot of little air bubbles in the molding, and doing PE is probably a good way to redo the detail and eliminate the molding issue. 

Cheers
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 12, 2018, 07:50:04 am
Wow, James! I agree with Al; those grills are sharp!

Love the added detail you putting on.

Looking great! Keep it going!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 17, 2018, 11:19:26 pm
Steve,

The encouragement is awesome!!

Update #17

The sanding and prepping continues, lol.  I was working late two nights ago, and did damage to a part while sanding and prepping, so, took a few days back on that impulse engine housing part :(, not happy at all about that.  Oh well, getting close again to getting it complete, at least the primed and sanded part.  I did some more work on the nacelles, I have to do some more light blocking on the grills.  Since they are a single piece of acrylic, the light bounces around in there pretty good, and I had to go back in with some black paint to get the edges blocked out.  Not the end of the world, but not the perfect look I was looking for.  I am hoping hitting it with some clear flat spray will get it back to the look I want.  Otherwise, not having light leak out is a bit more important than the perfect paint line.  However, the nacelles are still progressing.  I have a couple of shots of the RCS thruster housing that goes on the nacelle.  I am super happy with how it turned out.  It will need more than a single coat of primer though to get the light blocking needed.  I am also going to see it I can sand the LED down some more and wrap it in aluminum tape.  That will have a huge effect on the light blocking and getting the light where it is needed.  Will mask my one part back up tomorrow and add a few coats of primer, that should get us there.  The biggest step taken today was an error.  I am working on making some photo etch and I have been having problems with removing the photo resist in the Sodium Carbonate.  After thinking about why, it turns out the error is due to the printer I am using.  I am using an ink jet, which does not create an opaque enough film to block all of the UV light coming off of my developer finger nail light thingy.  So, tomorrow, going to go print the transparency on a laser printer, and fingers crossed, that gets us there.  Hopefully will have the parts needed to complete the two bridges tomorrow, that would be super awesome!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 20, 2018, 11:01:33 pm
Update #18

Got the nacelles with updated paint, so far so good on the light blocking.  Still have not gotten the photo etch printed, still waiting on the transparencies that work in a laser printer.  I am hoping all works out well with that.  I have the design done for the impulse engine PE and parts going on the bridge and docking ports.  Hopefully in another few days will have some completed PE to show off.  Also, have the shapes laid into the program for all of the PE that is going on the pylons for the Enterprise.  I am using an easy to use CAD program, Silhouette Studio for Business, BUT, not a lot of power in the program, so have to get really creative to draw some of the shapes.  I am concerned with the ring that helps clean up the deflector ring on the secondary hull getting drawn up.  Hopefully will get it drawn fairly accurately. 

The pics are of all of the CNC cutting machined cut plastic parts, pretty excited about getting those done.  The machine can not go through 0.020 styrene, will try it out with the deep cut blade.  The sheet styrene was scored enough that I was able to get the parts out, they will all need some sanding before getting glued into the hull.  For the really complicated cut part, I went down to 0.010 thick styrene and cut two parts to be glued back together.  I will need to build up the courage to just scrape all of the detail off of the cast hull.

The other pic is of the PE design for the impulse engine cover.  It is close to the original part, I am running into a capability gap of the CAD program, I can not go back in and thin out some of the horizontal lines, as seen in the studio part.  I am doing some research to come up with a plan.  I have some ideas, but it would be a ton of work for this detail.  Oh, ignore the filler on the part :)

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 26, 2018, 12:50:54 pm
Hey James, this is still looking great!

In update #17, what is Slide 1? I may have missed it but I can make head nor tails of it.

Your Impulse Engines look very nice!

Keep it up!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on March 26, 2018, 09:42:07 pm
Steve,

That is my failed attempt at doing photo etch.  The reason why it failed was the use of an ink jet printer, the printer, even a very good one, cannot print the black dense enough to consistently block out the UV light, so the inconsistent removal of the photo resist, causing the failed effort.  I plan on printing a laser transparency tomorrow, fingers crossed.

Update #19

The battle continues via sandpaper, putty and added paint.  Lots of progress across many fronts.  I completed one of my light boxes for the warp nacelle, with all of the diffusion built in, looks great as a box, but a picture looks really bad.  Also, all of my nacelles are taped up for primer and base coat, so will not be able to verify the effect for a while.  Will take some pics when that gets done.  My laser transparency paper came in, hopefully get the printed tomorrow and get my first parts made up tomorrow night that is the goal.  Today, I got the impulse engines formed up and the clear resin poured, will take it apart tomorrow and prep the part for the white base coat, so that is exciting.  I will also be able to glue down my new 0.005 thick panels, hopefully the look cool, will add to more parts of the model if they do.  I think a little dimensionality will set this model off.  I cut my first complex shape for masking, 99% there, I can then go in and do all of the extra cuts needed to paint the sensor dome that is exciting.  The cool thing is that the outline works on both the E and R, saving some time, finally, on something, LOLOL.  The paint scheme is different between the two models.  Next pic is of the nacelles getting an area with the base coat white.  I needed to get this put down before I glue in the chiller grills.  I wanted all of the white that I will not be able to get to, to get painted, before gluing and priming.  Hopefully the final product will look great, not just good.  Next pic is of a white sensor done, excited and SAD.  The camera sure shows a lot of little nits, that I cannot see under 4x magnification :(  Last pic is of the three remaining RCS thrusters and Impulse Engine letting the resin cure, takes a day or so.  Continual progress on the model, couple hours a night, one day, will be complete!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: scottminium on March 28, 2018, 06:46:56 pm
Wow, some incredible work going on here.  Just when I think I might have figured something out along comes a real artist with a big helping of humble pie!  This is really a fun build to watch, and holy crap are there a lot of lights in the saucer section!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 02, 2018, 11:45:45 am
Scott,

Super humbled by your very kind comments.  LOL, definitely not an artist.  I am SUPER looking forward to showing people what those lights in the saucer section are going to do.

Steve,
My photo etch problem is not the ink jet, I think. :O  I ran off some transparencies on a laser printer and the opaqueness of that transfer is not much better than the ink jet.  So, I GREATLY reduced my exposure time under the UV lights, and this seems to really be working.  Still working on the correct amount of time in the soda ash bath though.  Getting better every production run though.


Update #20

The epic battle of resin model kit construction continues with the main players being sandpaper, putty, filler, elbow grease, primer, tape and paint.  Phewww, just typing that makes me sad.  The first assembly I plan on completing for both models are the nacelles and their mounting piece.  The first pic shows the warp grill side completely primed.  This is just the first coat.  I need to go back in a fix all of the little dings that I have a hard time seeing in all white.  Pictures also help to show where some issues are, the lens never lies!  You can also see the bridge for both models have their first coating of primer.  The primer on the photo etch parts is SUPER light.  I plan on putting down some white, and then actually using a wash to help bring out the PE details.  I need to start working on the masks for the bridge and planetary sensor part soon.  These piece will be magnetically attached to the saucer section.  I will need to install all of the LEDs though before the magnets go in.  Will probably do the electronics before all of the detail paint goes in, both have their pluses and minuses though.  Next pic shows the opposite side of the nacelle before gluing the chiller grills on.  I need to put down some white where the piece goes.  I have glued on the chiller grills, I have not started the putty work though on that.  Tonight.  Once both piece are primed and cleaned up, I will do a mock up assembly of both nacelle parts, I must do this so I can drill the holes needed for the strobe and crystal holes.  Then all of the electronics go in, and prep for gluing the nacelles together.  Next three pics are of my first acceptable photo etch I have been able to produce.  Most of my problems have to do with the exposure of the film and the removal of the film in the soda ash solution.  I am getting closer to the correct times on the equipment I am using.  It sucks that my pic is not focused well, but you can see how small some of the details are in the air lock door.  I would like to see the equipment a pro company uses, maybe get better on how I do the process, not sure.  So, next steps are to work the RCS thrusters onto the nacelle parts and work all of the putty work on the nacelles.  This is a few days of work.

Cheers,
James

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 03, 2018, 07:34:51 am
Looking good, James!

Your cleanliness puts me to shame!

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 03, 2018, 11:55:50 am
Steve,

Thanks!!! 

Update #21

LOL, sand, putty, glue, sand, putty, glue, prime, sand, putty, sand, putty, sand, putty, prime again?  LOL  Resin kits are cool, but WOW, they are a TON of extra work.  Of course, I want to go buy some more kits!  I am looking into the studio scale Enterprise, still working on the Wife.  Hopefully, these guys get built and sold relatively quickly, then on to the 8 footer.  That would be cool, fun to dream though, right!  Unusual to post so quickly, but I got all of the RCS thrusters glued into the nacelles yesterday, and the first round of 28, putty rounds put down.  Really happy with how they went on, and the parts are pretty darn square considering how every surface is curved.  Also, these are the first parts with LEDs installed and put into the model.  I wanted to minimize the amount of material removable to get everything to fit, and making the holes big enough to install LEDs later was a sub optimal solution.  Here is my #1 tip about building lit models.

ALL LEDS THAT ARE TO BE INSTALLED INTO THE MODEL WILL HAVE A SERIES RESISTOR.

Do not ever break this rule, ever.  You will rue the day when you break this rule, and blow up an LED buried DEEP in your model, which will require major surgery to remove and major reconstructive surgery to reinstall.  Some of the electronics I have, have the series resistor on the board, these resistors will be moved to the LED, period, end of story.  Enough on that topic!

Last item, look at that amazingly straight line I cut into the nacelle by hand.  Super straight, AMAZING.  Ok, that is a little bit of sarcasm.  At least no one will every see the butcher job I did on the nacelle.  Probably no updates for a while, all I have to do is sand and putty work for the next few nights.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 06, 2018, 09:35:42 pm
Update #22

Well, here are all of the parts I have gotten through their first primer shot.  The wife is out of town this weekend, so a lot of sanding coming up.  Hopefully will get through all of the touch up on the 8 nacelle parts and the 2 bridge parts this weekend and start getting electronics in them.  This leads to a cool problem, I need to start working on the E and R pylons.  The plan is to complete the pylon and nacelle as an assembly.  The second pic, or first, depending on they upload, shows some paint being pulled up.  I left a mask on the bridge under tension for 2 weeks or so, and it damaged the paint.  I am 99% sure that all of the parts were washed, I did not use adhesion promoter though on the bridge parts, will use that on the big saucer sections for sure.  So, first paint down, and first paint repair, already, lolol, actually :(
Does not look like a lot but 2.5 months into the project, I have a bunch of filled in holes, lol and 12 grey parts, some with paint damage.  LOLOLOL.  Oh well.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 08, 2018, 08:49:39 pm
Update #23

I would show another shot of all my parts grey, but not a lot of reason to.  I got through a round of sanding and putty on them, so they are getting closer to getting done, well at least this step.  However, in the case of 1 step forward 2 back, lol, I had an epiphany while looking at plastruc at HobbyTown, with kids in tow.  I always have my best epiphanies at hobby stores.  I have been unhappy about how the grills look on the nacelles, and while looking at the styrene, why do not I stack up some styrene strips to make new grills for the front end of the nacelles.  So I am going to get some strips, I did not know what size to buy at the store, so could not get them today, but will soon.  This will allow me to clean up the front ends much nicer and to paint the grills off model, which will also present a much cleaner look.  The sanding and putty work shall continue though.  I have what I need to work on the Es pylons and get them going, so that is next on the list.

Cheers,

James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 09, 2018, 08:49:07 am
James, nice epiphany!

If the pic "presentation 1" is your's, then I wouldn't bother with rebuild; they look fine to me. But, if "presentation 1" is not yours, then do you have a plan for forming the strips? Knowing you have woodworking skill extraordinaire, are you gonna make a form from wood, then heat the strips to lay them down on the form? Sounds do-able. I would love to know how you're gonna do it! :)

Keep going and keep us informed!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 09, 2018, 11:19:56 am
The pic is from the 8 foot studio model.  I have some ideas on the strips more to come.  Will post success and or failure also.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 12, 2018, 07:46:20 pm
Update #24
So, there is a series of steps that have to happen before I can glue up the nacelles, with the largest one being getting the pylons in shape for both the E and the R.  As part of the Pylon Finishing Operation 2.0, I plan on installing a lot of CnC cut plastic inserts to clean up the mold work and also create super crisp inserts that go into these pylons.  I do not like what came on the molded parts, the detail was blurred out, and the mold line runs down the middle of it.  As a guy who has done a lot of casting, you have to put your mold line somewhere, and overall for the part and the shape of the part, you were kind of stuck putting it here.  Overall the pylons on both models are fantastic, so do not take that the wrong way!  So hopefully the first few photos are of the test cut inserts showing where they are going into the pylons.  The next two pics are of DESTRUCTION!  Oi, my Dremel work leaves a lot to be desired.  However, I am sitting at 8 or 9 rounds of putty and sanding, the inserts recesses are coming along quite nicely.  The problem is that there is some knife work required and if I screw up, I get to redo some putty and sanding work.  That has happened a few times, which is frustrating.  However, my skill level is increasing.  I can see my XP bar filling up every night I work on this, LOLOL.  If only I could grind out some levels quicker and easier though.  Last shot is of all of the wires on the Reliant pylons, looks like a lot, there are not enough, which also makes me sad.  There are 4 photon torpedoes in the roll bar, but each of those torpedoes needs 2 control wires, 2 reds and 1 white per torpedoes.  So quick wire summary for the roll bar

8 torpedoes
1 nav ?
1 strobe ?
2 phaser cannon thingies
1 evil red lights, there are 4 of them, they are one when Khan controls the ship, I did not see evidence that they are on when he does does not control the ship.  So the plan is to add another 8 wires on the other nacelle, that would give me plenty to cover the requirements and still have a few.

Looking at the wires for the nacelles there are 8 wires, with two of them being a bit larger in gauge.  One of those would be ground and the other for the warp engines.

1 warp engine, needs to be 24AWG or higher, actually caries a lot of current due to the number of LEDs in the LED tape.
1 RCS
1 Strobe
1 Nav??
1 2 lights at the front of the nacelle
2 spots?
1 warp crystal thingy

Looks like we have enough wires for the nacelles, woohoo!  The progress continues, slowly, but relentless?  LOL  Still waiting on some parts to redo the grill thingies on the nacelle, hopefully get the parts tomorrow so I can do some work on it this weekend, who knows when and how the delivery man shall delivereth. 

Hope everyone is enjoying our hobby out there!

Cheers,
 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 15, 2018, 08:40:28 pm
Update #25

Lots of coolness happening, although, all of it is TINY ITY BITY TEENY steps :(  Tons of work for literally half millimeter improvements. I will not do it this way in the future, but a good way to learn.  I did not get to work on the models as much as I would have liked, but the family had a great time at the Renaissance Fair today outside of Austin.  Lots of meat on a stick, sword fighting and the best show were the Washing Wenches. 

So the first pic is of the small steps.  The Enterprises pylons are just about done and the Reliants are well under way.  I started the Rs long after the Es, so progress is quicker.  I have gotten better at doing this.  As part of this process though, I could not figure out how to get the bottom of each of these holes to the same depth.  So I decided to cut out a ton of 0.010 thick parts that go in the bottom of the holes, and that will allow me to get the depths of all of the holes to within 0.010 of each other, which is pretty good for a resin model.  So the pic is a bunch of these parts cut out on the Cameo 3.  Which is the best present I have ever bought for the wife!

The HobbyLinc order came in on Saturday, woohoo, which allowed me to mock up my new ridged parts in both 0.030 and 0.020 thickness parts.  I am going to go with the 0.030 strips to recreate all of the ridged parts in the nacelles.  So, the clean up all of the detail in these parts and I will be able to paint both the nacelle and grill thingy off of each other allowing for some ultra-sharp transitions.  The biggest problem is going to be on the curved section for the top grill, but I think I have a good solution on these.  So, I am going to cut out some of these grills, hopefully not have a heart attack, and then make sure everything lines up. 

All of the work is coming together on the nacelles, and looking forward to getting all 4 of these mounted up, wired up, closed up and painted up.  That is a lot of Up!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 16, 2018, 08:45:28 pm
Update #26

Got the little inserts popped out for the pylons, and started to test fit them.  Still some work needed, but they are close on the E.  Once they are in, I can finish cleaning up the edges of the holes, and then shim them out so they are all the same depth.  Then, I get to wait until the pylon is painted out, then they go back in.  Progress?

The other pic is of the new grills going into the nacelles.  I had a heart attack drilling out the grill on the nacelle, and then, I told myself to be extra careful not to knock off the little sprue of resin left, and of course I dropped the nacelle, boooo, and it broke out.  Soooo, another thing to patch.  I need to get a little better making the grill replacements flatter, if that makes sense. There is a little curl on the outside, which shows some in the pic.  Over all though, these are much better than what was on the casting. 

Progress?  Some.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on April 18, 2018, 07:34:15 am
James, you solution looks great! I'm lovin' the detail you are putting on the ship!

Keep going!

Steve

P.S. "Washing Wenches"?! Humm....  ;)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on April 28, 2018, 09:36:02 pm

Thanks Steve for the continual support!  Also thanks for the support across the forum!!

Update #27

Woohoo, some real progress.  Three of the four pylons are ready for primer, and the fourth one should be good to go tomorrow.  Will get them all primed up tomorrow.  The second Reliant pylon needed 8 additional wires added to it, so they were added.  The two pics are of the trenching and gluing and backfilling of the pylon for the additional wires.  I have spent all of last weekend working on a retirement box for a fellow Airmen.  The pics are of the box and work in progress.  The multi piece board is 11 different hardwoods jointed up and glued together to make a removable tray that will hold coins and will go inside the box.  You can see the Es saucer providing support to the boards as the epoxy sets.  The wood used was spalted maple, that had also been eaten by some worms.  The worm tracks are really cool looking and add some unusualness to the box.  The dove tails are half blind with Walnut inserts, first time my Dad and I were able to accomplish it, woohoo!  So now I am sanding resin model parts and worm eaten maple!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 01, 2018, 06:45:01 pm
Update #28

I got the last pylon ready for primer, BUT, it is raining cats and dogs, so too humid to shoot paint.  Maybe tomorrow, do do not look at weather reports.  I also have most of the insert replacements built.  That was 2 nights of gluing and forming. :(  I have a little side excurision and the front nub left.  I need to modify the nacelles to take the new inserts, but I think I will tack glue the nacelles together so I can finish drilling all of the holes needed for the lights.  The crystals, nav/strobe, spotlights, and those extra lights on the Reliants nacelles.  When I modify the nacelles to take the new inserts, they are REALLY fragile, and I want to minimize the possibility of me destroying something, which unfortunately is really high.  Another :( for me.  I will take a pic of all of the primed parts this weekend.  I am running out of parts to prep for priming, SUPER excited!!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 03, 2018, 08:41:35 pm
Update #29

So I ran into a problem, took me a few minutes to realize what had happened.  When I built the nacelle jigs, to align to the rest of the model, I did not have the chiller grill parts glued onto the nacelle.  I actually LOLd when I realized that my jigs are not going to work to well.  I will need to modify them a bit to get them super sturdy again.

So the actual model stuff.  The first pic shows all of the nacelle component in the alignment jigs, they do fit, but not as well as I like.  The amount of work that has gone into these guys is stupid, but there are a lot of parts glued up, modified etc in this shot.  So, some internal happiness on my part.  The second pic shows my current issue.  The openings to house the colored crystals that go on top of the nacelles are sort of jacked up.  So, I am going to sand them relatively flat, and cut out some plastic parts on my Silhouette that will house the crystal and glue that onto the nacelle.  Will take pics, will make more sense when I do that.  I also have a plan to house and protect the LED that will light up the crystal.  Pics will show how that will work.  That leaves the hole in the back, middle, top of the nacelle for the nav/strobe light.  I will drill the 3mm hole and glue the LED into one of the nacelles.  Will take some extra super duper care to reassemble.  I had thought about cutting out some of the opposite nacelle and gluing that together, then fixing that area.  I might do that, will think on it tonight.  I am really tired and do not want to screw up the cut when I could do it tomorrow in better shape.  Long day at work, ran 3 miles, super hot today, which is a first for the year, and a lot of work on the retirement box.  I also need to drill out the holes for the spots and align them up and glue them in.  Then the rest of the electronics and interior stuff goes back into the nacelles, then cut out the front part, square it up, install new grills, and glue the sucker up.  I do not think I will get that done this weekend, but, these parts are close.

Oh, I will glue them on the pylons before I close up the nacelles, so that means Will not get done this weekend.  Closing in. 

With that done, a HUGE sub assembly will be complete.  I will probably finish priming them and base coat them, then move onto the saucer sections.  I have been in contact with another modeler to purchase a cast of the shuttle bay he built for the Enterprise, which has been delayed, due to some good reasons.  I do not want to work on the secondary hull until I get that. 

I have also been collecting parts to build the Reliant shuttle bays and shuttles themselves. 

The wood shot is of the tray that is going into the retirement box.  Will unclamp tomorrow and start the finish sanding needed.  I am hoping to get the box done next week.  Depends on the laser etch guy though.  Look forward to sharing that when done.

Keep on modeling!

Cheers,
James 

I HATE THE APOSTROPHE ISSUE
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: TK Iain on May 04, 2018, 02:26:28 am
This is amazing work.

Really enjoying watching you put these big girls together. :)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on May 04, 2018, 05:12:12 pm
You're doing some great work here, James.  The nacelle inserts looks great and will add so much dimensionality to the nacelles.  When are you going to get a 3D printer for these kinds of after market fixes?  Looking to you to pave the way as usual;) 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 06, 2018, 10:23:06 pm
Iain,

Huge thanks for the props, from an awesome builder!

A|W,

Also thanks!  I have been looking at 3D printers for 3 years.  They keep getting better and cheaper.  The printer material is also getting much cheaper.  Two issues though, I already have to know how to use 1,835 different software packages to do stuff, and I do not want to learn another.  Also, I would want to print out a ton of the Fat Dragon 3D gaming table parts, and that would derail all of my other projects.  So, will finish these first. :)

Update #30

I got one of the Reliant nacelles with the electronics installed.  Learned a few things.  The main one being that I will need to remove the grills that are cast into the nacelle before I install the electronics into the rest of the nacelles.  If all of the electronic dodads are in there, very hard to cut out, sand, and remove the excess material needed to make the new grills fit.  Will not be doing that tonight, a little late.  Another issue, the light box interferes with either the crystal light or will not fit into the nacelle.  So I had to modify the light box somewhat to clear the crystal LED and still fit into the nacelle.  Not that big of deal, took a while though.  I decided to just drill the 3mm hole in the rear of the nacelle to house the NJAV/Strobe light.  The wires that lead to the LED are glued in, and the LED is tacked down via super glue. When I hit some of the areas with epoxy, will put some epoxy on the back of the LED so you can not accidently push it into the nacelle.  That would be a DISASTER OF EPIC PROPORTIONS.  I could not imagine having to tear the thing apart to fix that error.  That would be very demoralizing.  I also will need to add some epoxy over the front two lights on the Reliant nacelle and some other points for reinforcement.  I have also added a bunch of Apoxie sculpt to allow for more surface area in the future glue up of the nacelle, and to help flatten out the curvy grill area.  All of the nacelles will need to be cleaned up and Apoxied like this.

Oh, another interesting tid bit.  The Reliant nacelles are super nice, the Enterprise ones are not.  Normally I would put the resin into some hot water to help straighten them out, but these nacelles are fiberglass impregnated, so, hot water is meaningless to them.,  Ultimately, these guys are super strong, but getting the joints flattened out on the Enterprise will take some effort, and I am concerned over the long term stability of the joint.  I might allow some what of a gap, basically minimize the gap along the entire joint, and go back in and fill.  This would have the effect of a slightly larger, maybe out of scale joint, but the model will stick together forever.  I will take some pics of what I am talking about in a future update. 

I also got a lot of work down on the retirement box, reorganized my game room, it was a disaster, updated my game ownership database, I track every LEGO and game I own.  Also saw Ready Player One with the family, great movie.   Overall a good weekend!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 07, 2018, 07:51:59 am
James, this is looking good!

One day, when I grow up, I will be a neat modeler, with precision foil tape corner folds, like you!

I love the use of a light box for the nacelle lighting! I have not seen this solution on may TMP builds.

Keep going!

Steve

I, too, saw Ready Player One and loved all the 80's Easter Eggs and nostalgia pieces peppered throughout the film! It was a good Spielberg film and Silvestri's music was awesome. I really loved Halliday's Star Trek TOS funeral flowers! I would kinda like that at my funeral, too! :)

On the retirement box - are you making your own shadow box or one for someone else? I love mine! Knowing your woodworking skills are Master's Level, maybe you can sneak a pic of it on here?!

Steve again.

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 13, 2018, 10:15:49 pm
Steve,

The box is for a good friend of mine.  I did spend some time on it this week.  We got all of the pieces back from the laser etcher guy, and I got the bottom sides glued up.  Hoping to get some more of the box put together tomorrow night.  Thanks for the nice comments!

Update #31

Have not had a lot of time to work on the models.  The time I have had, has been spent on cleaning up the nacelles.  Getting close to be done with straightening out the area that the inserts go into.  Should be one last sanding, then back to electronic installation. 

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 14, 2018, 08:15:33 pm
annnndddddd...two more putty and sanding, getting closer :(
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 15, 2018, 07:28:44 pm

Update #32

The cleanup/straightening out of the grill area on the nacelles is pretty much done.  I need to come up with a new insert that goes in between the nacelle halves.  I do not think putting this together via a bunch of strips is going to work.  I think I will design a part and cut them out on the Silhouette.  The problem and benefit of this is that the cutter can only really cut through 0.020 thick plastic.  Looking at the studio model, this insert part thingy is really thick, thicker than what I will be able to put back in, due to the current unchangeable geometry of the nacelles.  I think I will be able to get between 4 and 6 of the 0.020 thick parts sort of glued up like a laminate board.  Maybe stronger than just strip styrene, I do not know, but will find out. 

I got the other 3 light boxes for the warp engines done last night.  I think I can install the electronics now while working on the inserts.

Progress.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 16, 2018, 07:40:37 am
Looking good, James!

What are you using to glue the parts? It looks kinda globby white. Just curious!

Keep going! I'm learning lots!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 16, 2018, 06:18:00 pm
I use 5 minute epoxy and West Systems 105 epoxy.  It is white because I primed over it.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 21, 2018, 09:36:47 pm
Update #33

I have finally gotten the insert to look decent.  Took about 50 iterative attempts to get there, the angles and radii of the curves drove me NUTS.  So of course there had to be other issues,   The cutter would not cut through my 0.020 styrene, so had to drop down to 0.010 which means double the number of parts to cut, clean up and glue together.  The inserts are going to be little stacks of these cut outs glued together like a laminate.  Hope it works out well.  I need to build a little jig to compress the plastic bits together while they are glued up, to keep everything straight.  The next pic is of most of the electronics installed into the nacelles.  I do not have the Enterprise spot lights installed yet.  I have to do some assembly of the model to get the LEDs to line up properly.  I am debating on whether to glue the pylons to the nacelles to get these LEDs installed properly.  Once the nacelle is closed up, they they will not ever get opened again.  The last two pics are of the retirement box I am making for a friend.  Getting closer, but have to drive back up to Dallas to use some machine to get back to right angles.  My hand finishing could be better, oh well.  The construction of the box is about complete.  Once I get down up in Dallas, will complete the finish on the box, and then will need to order the hardware.  I have the leather that is going into the top of the box sitting in my office.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 23, 2018, 08:13:17 am
James,

The build seems to be going well!

I gotta admit - I got a little choked up seeing the Air Force stuff! I should probably go on a wood workers site and gush there but, that looks pretty cool and some very nice workmanship on your part! Nice Job!

Keep 'em flying, Sir!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 23, 2018, 09:47:22 pm
Steve,

Headed back up to Dallas this weekend to get this box, minus hardware complete.  I got the leather for the top ready to go.  Will be glad to get this complete.

Update #34

There were PAINFUL, but got the first one much closer to being complete.  I need to fix the front alignment of the pieces coming off of the nacelle, but that will be some sanding and more putty work.  The lamination process is working well and creating really flat parts.  I am using some jointed flat Birdseye and Curly Maple as the side of my little press, which is really funny.  Not quite what it was supposed to be used for but, works great for this though.  I am really happy how much straighter this is compared to what came from the molds.  Also, I will get the parts completed for the inserts, finish cleaning up the parts and shoot some primer.  The shoot some white, paint the inserts black and install them into the nacelles.  Getting closer on these guys!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: neilfsmith on May 24, 2018, 10:34:21 am
Very nice work! The nacelles will be beautiful!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 29, 2018, 11:22:59 pm
Thanks!!

Update #35
Some pretty good progress on the E and R.  I have gotten all of the nacelle inserts into the 4 nacelles, woohoo!  Of course it took a tad bit longer than expected.  Moving on to getting the nacelles aligned with the hulls and mark them up with some pencil marking so I can start cutting the holes to mount them to the pylons.  Maybe do some gluing this weekend?  A couple of other issues popped up.  The reliant pylon has a fitment issue when you put the top hull on, so, that will take some thought on what is the best way to get all of that to fit, with minimal sanding and putty work.  The shuttle bay from NemVia productions showed up!  Woohoo.  Mark is well known for the construction of 4 of these models, which doubly insane and was kind of enough to sell me a shuttle bay.  I have yet to take it apart, but look forward to get this into the E and I will use this to base the shuttle bays that are going into the R on.  Good progress the last few days.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on May 30, 2018, 03:39:13 pm
James,

I would like to take a moment and call out the AWESOME model support matrix you have constructed. I would hazard a well informed guesstimate that, should you decide to scale it down to say 1/500, you could turn a pretty profit on at least this forum!!

Nicely done, Sir!

NemVia Productions (Mark) used to post here and I was enjoying his build of this monster (The E) and his scaled down version of the Drydock. I think he is still posting on his private website. I'll have to swing by and peek at what he is doing now.

Your models seem destined for greatness; especially after seeing your wood working skills. In case I missed it, how did you get the inserts in the nacelles and "pressed" (I caught the reference but not the concept) into shape? If you have the time, I would enjoy the read.

Thanks and Keep pressing forward!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on May 31, 2018, 10:23:10 pm
Steve,

Thanks for the kind words as always.  Concerning the assembly jigs, HECK NO.  lol, they were a lot of work to get made and once the nacelles are glued into the pylons, they are half way through their useful life :(
For the press, I used two very flat pieces of wood and a hand clamp from a big box home improvement store.  I glued laid 5 pieces on top of each other, put them in the press, made sure everything was lined up properly, then applied Tamiya thin cement which sort of melts everything together.

Hope that makes sense.


Update #36
I have found a few more differences between the studio model and the DeBoers E.  The point at which the pylons connect into the nacelles is too low and if I try and shift it up, to be more accurate to the studio model, I lower the nacelles even lower in relation to the saucer.  So, I think I will be attaching them low on the nacelle.  The first two pics show the studio model with the ratio of nacelle and saucer and the proper connection point of the pylon into the nacelle.  The DeBoers is close, but until I studied the studio pics, I would have never have known that it was not 100% accurate.  So, is this a problem, do not know.  I do not think so, she still looks pretty amazing!

Have been working on adding the extra reinforcement needed on all of the large parts that will be blued together.  The walls on the cast resin parts are too thin to directly glue to each other.  So, lots of Apoxie sculpt and sanding, get the parts to a good state to have enough surface to ensure a strong joint that will not break instantly.  I have 2 of the 4 nacelles done, but they are taking about 2 hours each, so will get the other two done tomorrow night. 

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 04, 2018, 09:07:27 pm
Update #37

I have gotten the bottom 8 of the grill things installed into the nacelles, they look pretty darn good, however the close up of the photo just reveals ALL of the problems.  The white paint inside the recessed area will not be touched going forward, the outer stuff will get painted and sanded again.  You can see the unsmooth surface in between the two nacelle halves that will get cleaned up.  The other two pics are of the painted nacelle halves.  I have started working the top grill insert on one of the nacelle.  My first attempt is painted, waiting for the paint to dry before I install the part.

Due to geometry of the parts, there will be micro gaps around the inserts.  I am ok with this due to the vastly improved straightness and definition of the grills.  The solution will be to do some light blocking on the backside of the inserts, which I plan to do with aluminum tape, plus everything else is pretty much in its own light box. 

One day, you will get to see why I go crazy with light boxes, one day!

Close up photos are SO demoralizing. 

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on June 05, 2018, 05:40:11 am
James, you've come a long way with those nacelle inserts -- they look terrific!  You're not thinking of changing the pylon insertion point though, are you?  Not sure what you've got in mind there...
Al
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 05, 2018, 11:17:07 am
Al,

Thanks for the kind words.  If you change the position of where the pylons insert into the nacelles, you end up changing the orientation of the nacelle to the saucer.  If you look a few posts up, you see the studio model from head on where you see the nacelles poking up behind the saucer.  I think this look is more important to the overall look of the model than where the pylons and nacelles hook up.  The only way to fix this geometry problem would be to cast new pylons, and I am not capable of doing that and not worth it to me.  I have studied this ship a bit, and only realized the error after a lot of looking, most people would never notice.

James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 05, 2018, 12:32:39 pm
I have studied this ship a bit, and only realized the error after a lot of looking, most people would never notice.

Al: A guess? You, James?! That's extraordinary!

James: [to Steve] I don't think he understands.

Steve: No, James. He means that he feels safer about your guesses than most other people's facts.

 ;D

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 05, 2018, 05:44:21 pm
Too funny. 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 08, 2018, 06:19:29 am
Too funny.

Yeah, well, you know I'm old when I'm quoting a 1986 movie!  ;D

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 10, 2018, 08:46:44 pm
We are both old!

Update #38

Sand, putty, sand, putty, sand, putty, PRIMER!, crap, sand, putty, sand, putty, sand, putty, PRIMER!  Base color!  Oi. :(

Pheww, well, I got all of the inserts into the nacelles, woohoo!  More work to go on them, but on to the next step of drilling holes and work the mounting onto the pylons.  First pic is of one of the nacelles with the inserts and the second shot is starting to work on the hole placement for the Reliants nacelles.  These are much easier nacelles to mount, so these are the ones I am starting on.  After the pylons are glued up, get to do some soldering on the wiring and spot light LED placement on the Enterprise, that is going to be exciting, then, glue up the nacelles, and then sand, putty, sand, putty, sand, putty, PRIMER!  To break up this monotony, I am starting to work the Enterprise shuttle bay. 

I really like the shuttle bay I got from Mark, but, I am going to clean up some of the detail in the casting.  This will also be used on my Reliant shuttle bays, so it is a two fer!  I plan on using the Silhouette to cut out some of the larger plastic detailing and photo etch on the tiny detailing.  I will take pics of the various parts as they come out of my work flow.  I am also looking into cutting the elevator tube thingies out of acrylic, more on that, when I hear back from Matt. 

Last couple of pics is of 7th Continent.  My daughter and I FINALLY lifted the Voracious Goddess curse, took 6 play sessions to do it, but we had a BLAST playing the game.  We have 3 more curses to go.  I am hoping we get all of the expansion stuff, early next year right when we complete the 4th curse.  That would be good timing. 

Will work on the mounting tomorrow.  I always seem to be behind, I had to work most of today though, which is not Bueno, however, I am almost done with the retirement box.  I got the leather glued in today, and looking to buy the last bits of hardware to install.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 14, 2018, 07:19:18 am
Excellent work as always, James! Keep it up!

(Still think you would market your building matrix!) ;)

Glad you bonded with the munchkin! It makes for awesome memories. I used to play the Halo series on XBox 360 with the kids (yeah, I know I'm dating myself!) and those times made for some serious bonding and awesome memories!

Keep posting! We'll keep wanting more!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 14, 2018, 11:02:22 pm
Steve,

Thanks!!  The memories with the kids are awesome, and almost more important than model building, lol.

Update #39

Got the Reliant pylons and nacelles glued up.  The pic shows how level everything ended up.  The good thing is that they are within about 1/8 inch when measuring all of the upper surfaces.  However, the nacelle on the right was twisted when glued to the pylon.  :(  Major sadness on my part, I did not notice it when I was gluing the first time.  So, I very carefully cut it off of the pylon, sanded everything flat, AGAIN, and reglued.  This time, both the left and right nacelle have the same amount of negative camber.  If I cut them both off to try and eliminate this 1/8 inch over the height of the nacelle, I am not sure I can get all of the other alignment stuff the same, so, going to live with the slight issue.  I bet no one, who does not read this, will never notice!  I hope.

The Enterprise nacelle have yet to be glued to the pylons.  I need much more working time with the epoxy than the 5 minute stuff will get me.  So I ordered 30 minute epoxy.  The issues I am running into on this are of course different than the Reliant.  The Reliant was relatively easy, not much to really mess up, except of course what I did, lol.  The Enterprise has more to get right, but, it also has 2 screws that I can use to physically attach the nacelle and pylon.  Will take some shots of that in the next post.  I want to commemorate how they are wired up and soldered before I glue them shut.  So, when the epoxy comes in, I will do some sanding and glue them up.  Oh, the problem I am having with the right nacelle, to continue the car alignment analogy, is that the toe on the right nacelle is out compared the left nacelle.  So I installed a washer as a spacer on the back screw and going to test a double washer tomorrow night.  If this fixes the toe, then all of the dimensions will be within 1/8 inch on these nacelles also, which would be fantastic. 

Family is in town this weekend, so probably not much going to get done on the models, but nearing the completion of 4 large sub-assemblies.  I have also attached the photo etch mask I designed up for the shuttle bay inserts on the Enterprise.  Also you can see the plan to cut the storage bay thingy in plastic.  I will cut several 0.010 thick parts and glue them together to get the correct thickness.  I plan on using some of the same design elements in the Reliant, to help tie the two models together, since there is no official shot of the Reliant that I know of.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: NemVia on June 15, 2018, 01:16:34 pm
This is looking vey nice. Love the work you're doing on these ships. Looking forward to more updates.
Mark
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 17, 2018, 09:11:57 pm
Mark,

Thanks for the kind words.  These are my first large scale resin models, so I took/stole/borrowed/acquired a ton of knowledge from your build logs.  Thank you for posting that amazing source of information. 

Update #40

I got one of the Enterprise nacelles glued to the pylon today, my 30 minute epoxy came in, woohoo.  I also got all of the soldering done on one of the Reliant nacelles.  One pic shows the soldering and heat shrinking of everything, the second is a close up of screws I am using as additional strength.  I have cut some recesses on the other side of the nacelle to allow me to pack some more epoxy into this area when I glue this thing up.  I am ready to glue up the first nacelle, I did several practice clamp ups, but got different results each time I practiced.  So, going to put it down tonight, and try again tomorrow night, getting tired, long day. 

Should get the first nacelle glued up tomorrow, the second Enterprise nacelle pylon glued and the second Reliant nacelle soldered and wires dressed up. 

I need the nacelles glued up so I can start doing some work on the Enterprise secondary hull and try and figure out where the center of gravity is for the Reliant model. 

Plugging along on this journey.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 19, 2018, 05:24:49 pm
Update #41

More progress and a setback, which makes me sad.  I got the second Enterprise nacelle epoxied to the pylon and glued up the second Reliant nacelle.  DISASTER, well sort of.  AS part of the test clamping and test fitting, I ran into problems where I needed to remove parts of the pylon and parts of the top of the nacelle, basically, I needed to sand down it down some to minimize future work on the seam line on the bottom of the nacelle.  However, I got a little excited while sanded, and cut 2 of the wires the run from inside the hull into the nacelle.  Fortunately, one of those wires does not carry any signal, the other one controls the light underneath the crystal.  So I faced an existential crisis.  I had to sit there for several minutes and debate whether or not to run another wire.  I made the right choice and ran another wire.  Pheww.  I do not think it will be that difficult to go back in and fill my little channel needed to run that repair wire. 

Finally got to use the jig to align the LED needed to light up the neck, woohoo!

First three pictures are of the repair wire, and gluing up the nacelle.  Next picture is from the movie, and the last picture is of my aligned LED in the nacelle shinning down on the neck in all of its glory!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on June 20, 2018, 05:56:44 am
Missing wire?  No problem.

Align spot?  Piece of cake.

James, you're doing an incredible job!  It's not clear what the jig looked like that you used to align the spot though.  Can you show a photo or elaborate?  Man, the spot is so right on:)

Al
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 20, 2018, 08:13:47 pm
Al,

Info below.

Update #42

DISASTER, a much BIGGER disaster than what happened yesterday.  Take a look at the crap picture, and I think you will see my problem quite clearly.  I aligned from the back of the nacelle, and everything look ok, a little twist, but from the front, OMG, DISASTER, super sad.  So lunch was spent tearing apart that joint without damaging any of the wires.  The good thing I learned was just how strong these joints are.  I cut through about 90% of the joint before I could wiggle it apart.  I did not want to damage the wires, so would not even cut near them this time around.  The biggest issue I had was the metal screws I had installed to provide extra strength in the joint.  I spent over an hour just realigning the darn thing, and then, put down two hot glue dots to steady the joint, and have applied two layers of epoxy to it.  Tomorrow, I will remove it from the model, and fill in the other side of the nacelle joint with epoxy, and then back to forward progress on these guys.

On the 1st Enterprise nacelle, I had to go back in and add some more apoxie sculpt to put a few more places to allow for epoxy to glue the sides together.  There is a slight warpage in the nacelle, so I want plenty of surface area to get it all straightened back out with.  Apoxi takes 24 hours or so, so will go back to work on the 1st one tomorrow.

For the 2nd Enterprise nacelle I got the spot light LED aligned, BUT, looks like I am going to have a really hard time getting the saucer spot light lined up.  I did not realize how important those holes locations were going to end up.  I think I would have been SOL regardless though.  The 8 foot model has more room to use larger LEDs on.  I look forward to hopefully getting to build an 8 footer.

I have also had a few questions on my jigs that I built for these models.  I took so larger photos of the jigs.  The jigs that hold the secondary hull and the saucer up are pretty much locked in place.  For the nacelles however, I can maneuver the nacelle in all 3 axis.  Same with the Reliant, the saucer is pretty much set, but I can maneuver the nacelles are around in all three axis.  What I do not have atm, is a way to glue up the roll bar on the Reliant, I will build something for that in a few months, when closer to gluing that bad boy on.

So a big step back today, but overall made good progress, and fixed a HUGE model destroying disaster.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 24, 2018, 11:47:59 pm
Update #43

First off, the wife and I got to go see William Shatner presenting Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan.  It was awesome to see that movie with a couple of thousand likeminded Trekkies, lots of applause and cheering.  A really good time watching this 35 year old movie.  Shatner then spoke for a little over an hour answering questions from the audience.  For a guy in his mid 80s, he is still pretty darn sharp.  We had a great time, and who knows how much longer he can keep doing this.  I would like to have seen Nimoy before he died, but sauce with the goose.

On the model, all 4 nacelles are now glued up, the picture is of the last one getting glued, which is nice.  The next two pics are of the pre and post wire clean up.  I love my little hot glue gun.  I used to use 5 minute epoxy to do the wire tacking, this is WAAAY faster.  The light shot is of the nacelle pre glue to make sure that all of the LEDs still aim at the correct spot.  It was a tremendous amount of work getting the LEDs lined up and able to close up the nacelle body.  I actually over sanded some of the LEDs and had to replace them.  Lots of cursing but eventually got there.

I decided to take a break from engines and started working on the Reliant hull.  I sanded down all of the detail on one section and then flattened it using metal glaze car body filler stuff.  This stuff is amazing, but the fumes are horrible, so not my first choice of fillers.  However, used here since it was such a large area.  The picture shows the area almost done with sanding.  The second pic is of the cut outs in place.  I glued up most of the complex panels tonight.  I am debating on whether or not to add another level, wil decide tomorrow.

The last pic is off of the lacquer based AK paint I got.  I am putting together a color board to see how these paints interact with the base coat and also how well they do with masking.  I am comfortable with how all of the Mackenzie paint interacts, but not sure on the AK stuff.  I am trying to do as much paint work as possible in lacquer.  My experience is that the lacquer is a much more durable paint compared to the acrylics I use, and Vallejo is a great paint brand.  The acrylic does not fuse as well to the coat below as the lacquers seem to.  I am also using this board to firm up the colors I will use on the aztecing for the Reliant. 

Lots of time spent this weekend on the models, lots of progress.

Keep modeling!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 25, 2018, 09:32:39 pm
Update #44

I glued down the paneling on the back right corner of the Reliant.  All but 1 piece were perfectly placed, that one piece, of course the super complicated assembly is off about 1 mm, which frustrates me.  I will think on replacing it.  Depends on what the other side ultimately looks like.  Progress.  The larger issue of whether or not this was the correct thing to do was solved.  This was absolutely the right thing to do, plus developing some new skills in my model building tool kit.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 28, 2018, 06:36:05 pm
Update #45

Well, in a blind fit of rage I violently tore of the offending piece that was 1 mm out of true and annoyed the crap out of me every time I looked at.  The PAIN.  The kicker is, this is the bottom of the model and I doubt many people will get a ruler out to check on the orthogonality of the pieces.  Oh well, I now have another chance to be successful!  The other reason why I removed it was I could sand down the other parts of the lower hull.  I removed most of the detailed sections on the bottom.  I have already cut all of the pieces that will go back in.  I have been sanding everything flat and getting ready for the re-assembly.  The good part about this effort, I am building some skills in an area that I have been sorely lacking.  Also building some confidence, not sure what I am going to do on the top.  There are 4 triangles on the back of the model that are going to be replaced.  Those are up next.

Part of the reason to get the main hull done is so I can figure out where the center of gravity is and drill a hole for the mounting bracket.  On the Enterprise, it is already set, and there are not any options on where it can go. 

The last two pictures are of my paints and masking work.  This a complicated set of masks I cut on my cutter thingy.  I have not done any air brushing in quite a while, so it was good to get into a rhythm of cleaning the brush, changing colors, moving masks around etc.  All of the AK paints are lacquers, which is what I am trying to migrate to on all of my colors.  I love my Vallejo paints, BUT, they can lift quite easily when you pull the masking off, if there is too much over spray onto the masks.  I purposely over sprayed the masks with heavy coatings of the lacquer paint, and pretty much ZERO issues.  Also, they were very tough, not sure what to call them, minutes after getting sprayed and blow dried.  So, I am going to mix up several custom greys for all of the Reliant aztecing and other colors on the two models.  Looking forward to getting that done.

So cranking away on the models, happy with the progress.  The Reliant bottom is actually getting close to having all of the electronics installed, along with all of the additional Apoxie sculpt reinforcement.

Cheers,
James   
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 28, 2018, 09:37:09 pm
My color board does not look like that in person, I guess I have reached the limits of my cell phone camera :(
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on June 29, 2018, 05:26:22 am
Hey James, glad you replaced that one panel -- you know it would bug the hell out of you every time you look at it!

How do you like the Evercoat glaze versus the Liquitex Modeling Paste?  The Liquitex product is smooth as silk with no visible grain but it's hard as a rock which makes it a challenge to sand.  I'm assuming Evercoat is also a single part chemistry.
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on June 29, 2018, 09:05:51 am
James, that is the great thing about models; nothing is permanent..ya know...until it is! :)

Okay, not to call out your technical terminology BUT...

In one sentence you use "orthogonality" (I had to look it up!) and then, a couple of paragraphs later, you use the highly technical term of "masks I cut on my cutter thingy"! :)

I like that! It reminds me of ME! :D

Keep going, James! I am enjoying the build!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 29, 2018, 12:26:44 pm
I really like both.  The evercoat though seems to be able to go thinner, where I can actually sand it away and it won't chip out.  However, the evercoat STINKS.  I am moving more to the evercoat.  However, the liquid tex pastes can be put on thicker, to build an area up, but I have problems with the paste not bonding to the substrate as well as thee evercoat. 

I got tired of typing Silhouette, I always misspell the darn word!

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 29, 2018, 08:49:00 pm
Update #46

So, I am having problems cutting out the complex grill piece, that I did not have problems the first time around.  A little frustrated on that count, but I continue to work with the cutter to get some more cut out.  On another note, I got the base plating back onto the center section of the Reliant.  Looks great, but is shows the lack of symmetry of the part coming out of the mold.  I would have not noticed if it were not for the perfectly symmetrical parts I put back down on the model.  I am super happy with the parts that have gone down.  Excited to keep adding the upper level plates on.

I sanded down the triangles next to the Reliant shuttle bays.  FYSA, there will be fully built shuttle bats on both sides of the Reliant. 

I am also working on cutting out new corner details.  I will end up replacing all of the detail on the bottom hull section.  I am still working on figuring out how to get the sensor band detail better.  Still looking at doing full photo etch banding for all three bands.  Oh, I also order more AK paint and have started the second color board.  I will be mixing the paint colors that will go onto the R and E, and testing them on the color boards. 

Also have been working the design of the base.  I think it is going to look pretty darn awesome!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on June 30, 2018, 09:42:38 pm
Update #47

I got the greebling completed on the center section of the Reliant bottom hull.  I also got all of the panel pieces done.  I am going to glue them down tomorrow.  Very long day and I do not want to screw it up again.  The little grill pieces took me about 4 hours to cut out 2 that were good enough to use on the model.  I do not want to screw it up again.  The little grill pieces took me about 4 hours to cut out 2 that were good enough to use on the model.  I do not know why the cutter had such a hard time cutting them out today, VERY frustrating.  I think I am going to go give it one more shot.  At least I have 1 really good one and 1 decent one. 

I was also trying to get the corner detail cut out today and had no success.  I am thinking I will try and do a PE part for that, unless I can overcome my Silhouette cutter trauma. 

I had to redo the triangle detail that is next to the shuttle bays due to a drill disaster.  So, almost ready to drill some holes in the new batch of parts.  Then will get the greebling back onto to them, repair the lower hull and glue them on.  I am closing in to only having the sensor band and panel lines left to correct/repair/improve/rescribe on the bottom hull.  Then, electronics and Apoxie sculpt.  Looking forward to finding the center of gravity for the Reliant and drill a 1 inch hole into the hull.  I hope I do not have a heart attack!

I also included a pic of the original detail, and of the 1078 air bubbles that are now removed due to the recent effort.

Cheers,
James

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on July 05, 2018, 08:22:54 pm
Update #48

A lot of time for not a lot of progress.  I finished restoring and removing air bubble holes in the bottom of the Reliant.  Took me several days to get the fins reinstalled.  I tore out my first attempt much happier with the second attempt.  I used the metal glaze to get the areas much closer to flat.  There was a dip in the middle of both areas of the fin portion.  Took a couple of applications and sanding to get it close to flat, while it is not perfect, much better than what I started with.  I also went in a replaced all of the side detail on the area I have no idea on what to call.  What you do not see in the pictures is that I have done two passes of clean up on all of the other detail on the bottom on the Reliant.  I am going to do one more visible inspection on it before I install the RCS thruster resin, then tape the sides up and prime the bottom.  I want the bottom primed and in great shape before I install all of the electronics, all in pursuit of finding the center of gravity on the model.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on July 08, 2018, 09:19:44 pm
Update #49

Bee bopping along on the ships.  Got the first coat of primer down on the bottom hull of the Reliant.  Woohoo, I have not gone back and started cleaning up all of the nibs and defects yet.  Took a large chunk of the can of primer, LOL.  Two shots of the bottom hull rear wall detail I replaced off of the original casting.  One shot of the taping up to make sure I do not get primer on the back sides of the windows that would be frustrating.  You can sort of see in the lower hull shot the tape I used to mask off all of the windows and the sensor band.  I am still not sure how/what I am going to do on this.  The resin that this model is cast out of is SUPER hard, and putting panel lines back in is very difficult and tough on my hands/wrists/old age.  Hopefully I do not put the sensor bands back in by hand, I do not know though.  That would be a multiday very sad process.  The next pick is of the panel lines on the top and bottom Enterprise saucer section have been deepened and all of the problems have their first filling with filler.  The last is the complete color chart for the AK paints.  I LOVE the AK lacquer paints.  I find it very interesting how the colors are different between the board and my monitor.  I wonder where the slight color variations are coming from, my camera, video card, cheap TV monitor?  Cranking right along. 

The AK paint is fantastic, I strongly suggest folk go take a look at it.  The paint is lacquer based, so pretty much air brush.  However, I have not tried using a brush to see what it would look like.  Also, the paint, for the most part, comes out super flat.  There is no need for an over coat to flatten out the color.  Love this stuff, and look forward to custom mixing all of the colors needed to finish out these models.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on July 09, 2018, 07:27:36 am
James, your panels are looking awesome. Sorry to read about your frustrations with the cutter - that's terrible!

I still think what you achieved is excellent!

I am enjoying the read! Don't give up. Keep it going!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on July 11, 2018, 09:51:07 pm
Steve,

Thanks!  Nothing some Alieve can't fix on the cutter.  I sharpen often also, which helps.  I can't stop this train.  I need to get them built and out the door!  I can see a light at the end of the construction tunnel, so that is good.

Update #50

Sand, putty, paint, sand putty, paint.  At least there was good improvement between the efforts on the above pictures.  On a side note, about to head out on vacation, woohoo, so no updates for a while!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on July 15, 2018, 08:45:45 pm
I can't make this up. I think I am suffering from sanding withdrawal! LOL

Cheers,
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on July 28, 2018, 04:54:31 pm
Update #51

Sand, putty, paint, sand putty, paint.  Working on the REALLY long joints on the top of the Enterprise nacelles.  The Es nacelles did not go together as well as the Reliant ones.  The E nacelles were not warped, but the alignment left some to be desired.  Since the Reliant was the second attempt at the nacelles, the fitment is much better.  I have finished sanded the primer on the bottom of the Reliant and she is now ready for her white base coats.  I need to put down the white before I put in the electronics.  The idea being that I will not have to mask off as much in the future.  Who knows if this is worth the effort.  I am also almost finished with the bottom portion of the Enterprise saucer section.  The plan is also to prime and white base coat it, then install the electronics.  I took a picture of where I did an earlier lighting test to make sure they looked good.  The main take away is that the primer coverd/filled in the detail on the side of the saucer, so I am still thinking of how to get the detail back on there.  I have not done any photo etch work in a while, but that will need to happen to see if I can photo etch my way out of this issue.  So the vacation was nice, and it was also nice to take a week off of the model.  Still moving along at a good steady pace.  I need to be completed in 11 months or so.  Looking forward to that day and then onto the next projects!!!

Cheers
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on August 05, 2018, 05:04:39 pm
Update #52

Not a lot to talk about.  Most of what I have been doing is putty, sanding, putty, more sanding, repeat, while not quite infinite, sure seems like it.  So, to break the monotony, although I am getting close on the final three nacelles, I just worked on a single nacelle until I could shoot some primer on it.  I am pretty happy with where it is after the first coat of primer.  I am running into a problem I have seen in wood working.  In highly figured wood, or wood with a lot of lines, it is hard to see parallel lines and square corners.  So, with the whiteish base color of the resin, and the different types of filler used to build the surfaces back to flat and parallel and square, I am having a hard time visually inspecting.  So, the grey primer is AWESOME and letting me see all of the issues.  I plan on getting to a bunch of single primed parts, before I continue to clean up the imperfections.  I also shot a lot of base white today.  I am working on completing my second color board.  I plan on custom mixing colors, but by the container, so they will be consistent throughout the painting process and touch up process.  I also shot the first base coat of white on the Reliant bottom of the bottom hull.  Looks like it got sick!  The white will get evened out after 3-4 coats, with wet sanding in between coats.  I did run into a problem where I damaged an area from my hand pressure holding the paint.  I let the white dry to the touch, but the primer was softened because of this.  Some touch up is required.  Part of the issue is my air brush booth is not big enough for these LARGE pieces.  I think I lost a few brain cells painting today!  I will paint the hulls in parts now so I will always have a very well cured area to grip.  I also really need to get to the point of putting the base mounting part into the hulls.  I have also been doing work on the bases.  Progress all around!  Oh, some more parts have come in for my shuttle bay builds.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on August 09, 2018, 08:00:06 pm
Update #53

The 4 nacelles have the first primer coat down.  Going to let them cure for a few days before I go back and do the cleanup sanding.  I noticed I missed one or two areas per nacelle.  Bummer.  Started working on the sanding for the top of the Enterprise.  However, before I prime it, I need to cut out the windows for the O club, and cut some other holes where stuff mounts.  This will decrease the strength of said part, so the care factor will have to go way up, which also makes me sad.  I can see me destroying this part accidentally due to the holes that need to be poked throughout the top.  Headed on vacation, no work on the model for a few days.  I can actually see the end of the model assembly tunnel headed my way.  Still do not have a good answer for the sensor bands yet. 

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on August 13, 2018, 07:36:01 am
Looking good, James!

Hope you are enjoying your leave!

From the looks of the windows in the saucer and how precise they are, I don't see you having any issues with the officer's lounge.

Just a small question about the main engines. Most builders of this model (no matter the scale) seem to attach the pylons to the secondary hull first and then mount the engines, yet you put the engines on first before attaching the pylons. Any particular reason why?

Not saying it's wrong, just wondered if there was an advantage to doing it your way.

Ever curious,

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on August 13, 2018, 09:17:04 pm
I looked at the best way to break the model down into sub assemblies, and as part of that grading criteria, the amount of work required to join the two sub assemblies was near the top, along with painting the area.  There are a few other reasons, but looking at the pylon to secondary hull and pylon to nacelle, the nacelle joint was WAAAYYYYY worse and will/did require much more work to get everything to line up and puttied/finished out.  The pylon to secondary hull is actually in pretty good shape.  This strategy however drove the need to build the alignment jogs for the models.  Not a lot of people want to go to that effort to try and maximize their success at getting a great result on a joint.  I had the added benefit of getting to hang out with the Dad. 

One other issue is I think the secondary hull is going to be the most difficult part of this build.  Everything that goes into it and the need to cut large chunks of it out I wanted as little stuff as possible interfering with this difficult part.  I have the wire bundles done for the nacelles, and hopefully this might be a little easier, who knows!  I am planning on making 3 different cuts on the secondary hull that will require them to be reattached.  I am cutting off the butt of the model, and 2 different cut outs on the bottom of the secondary hull.  I can't do these cuts though until I get the base mounting mounted in there, and I am going to do that step at the same time on both models, so some more work is required on the Reliant before I make these cuts. 

I wish I had a detailed plan for the sensors bads.  I will be doing some more PE work this week, and I might have cracked that problem though.  If so, then I might have a solution for the sensor bands, which would be to do all of them via PE. 

I need to do a PE part for the O club, and I thinking of designing the O club itself in sketch up to get printed at ultra fine detail.  I know I want to do real glass on the back part of the area on the model.  I could type for a while, but will stop.  :)

Great question!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on August 15, 2018, 07:35:15 am
Great question!

Thanks! I have my moments!

I have a dreaded 1/537 TMP Enterprise (brick work and all) that I intend to build one day. I bought it just after I got back into the hobby and didn't know what I was looking for. So, long story short, your alignment jigs for the models technique has given hope that I might build it soon rather than later as I will take the time to make the jigs in order to get it right! I just hope you leave this pics up long enough for me to copy them! ;)

I understand how "getting to everything" drive how you assemble the model. For both of my 1/650 TOS E's, I put the nacelles together (puttied, sanded, and painted to completion) before I attached them to the secondary hull.

"Real glass" in the O club?! This I GOTTA see!

Keep going, James! I'm learning lots!

Steve

BTW, what is PE work?


Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on August 19, 2018, 08:14:08 pm
PE = Photo Etch

Update #54

HUGE BREAK THROUGH, well at least for me.  I finally figured out the best way to mask off the UV layer for my photo etch work.  The solution  drum roll   putting 2 masks on top of each other to block out the UV light.  I have been having tremendous problems getting just the mask to develop and be removed from the brass.  Doubling up fixed this problem.  This introduced some smaller manageable problems that I can solve.  So, a huge ass albatross has been pulled from my neck.  Full steam ahead.  The two PE pics are of the new detail going into all 3 shuttle bays.  I am going to have to do some tweaking on line width and do a better job aligning masks, but this is solvable.  The other pic is of the holes and masking on the top saucer, she has gotten her first coat of primer.  In my enthusiasm though, I did not mask of the area where the PE is going, oh well.  I also got a second coat of base white down on the bottom of the Reliant.  I am going to do some cleanup on where some parts are glued on, but she is starting to look gooood.  Can not wait to install the electronics in there.  I did not do much model work on Saturday, instead my son and I built terrain and armies for the newly released Kill Team from Games Workshop.  He is 9 and did a wonderful job on cutting out, cleaning the parts, and gluing everything up.  I LOVED watching him build his minis.  He had so much pride when he was done, and they are his, which is really cool.  Next up, dad will prime them :) and he will paint his Kill Team up.  Super excited.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on August 27, 2018, 11:24:36 pm
Update #55

Lots O work, but sure doesn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 02, 2018, 06:32:10 pm
Update #56

Another round of primer and sanding, I think I have 2 of the 4 nacelles completed.  I started putting down the base coat for the Es saucer section.  Also, put another coat down on the Rs bottom hull.  I think I will need 2 more coats of the Rs hull.  I ended up spilling paint on the hull while air brushing today, but, if I had not done that, I would have ended up with all of my expensive lacquer white paint on the floor.  A comedy of errors almost ended up in disaster.  So, that area is what is driving the extra coat, bummer.  I also started mixing the custom greys needed for the E and R.  On the Enterprise, they are used on the planetary sensor area on the bottom and on the Reliant they are used everywhere!

I have 1 thing left on the retirement box, I need to cut the plexi that holds the flag in and drill a few holes.  So that project is complete. 

I am also almost done with the new artwork for the shuttle bay photo etch parts and the officers quarters PE part for the upper saucer section.

Progress, and I am off this week, hoping to get a lot down on them.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 05, 2018, 09:21:31 pm
Update #57

The slog is real and the pain continues!  All 4 nacelles are ready for the base coat of white, woohoo!  It has been raining cats and dogs, and even though I spray in a back room, the humidity has been really high, so no air brushing going on.  Makes me sad. 

On a good note, the photo etch part came out, most of the pics are of the kit needed to make it, minus the laminator and software.  I use Silhouette Studio, since that is what my wife owns their cutter machine.  Works well enough for what I need.   The pic with the primer on it has not been touched at all, needs some more work to get the part into the saucer and blended in. 

Last pic is of the Reliant top hull.  I am trying something different this time on sequencing.  There are a lot of pin holes, but I think the primer will fill most of them in, so will reduce my overall work load on this. 

I should be able to paint tomorrow, get a lot of white down onto parts!

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on September 06, 2018, 04:56:19 am
Great job with that photoetch, James!  Looks like you've really nailed the process.  Looks perfectly installed too.

I guess what surprises me about these kits is the lack of overall quality in the castings.  You've had the full gamut of issues one might expect with a resin kit -- muddy or lost details, flash, voids and pinholes -- but geez, it just seems to be excessive for such an expensive kit!  It's made me rethink buying them.  What do you think?  Would you consider buying them again knowing what you know now?

Al
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 06, 2018, 05:49:17 pm
I would buy them again.  Part of the issue is my inexperience in working with this type of kit.  There is no way I could have ever made a 4 foot Enterprise or 3 foot Reliant.  I enjoy the process of making these kits and experimenting with ways to be more efficient. 
However, when I cast resin parts, I always pressure cast, eliminating many of these problems.  You would need a ginormous pressure vessel to cast these really large parts.  You are going to get air bubbles with how he casts, I am amazed at how well they came out.  Also, you lose detail the more times you pull parts from the molds.  Make no mistake, the mold to cast the saucer section is in the hundreds of dollars, you will want to get as many pulls from the mold as possible before making a new mold.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 11, 2018, 09:07:54 pm
Update #58

Well, it IS STILL RAINING!  except for one day, so go some painting done on that day.  Got the primer down on the top hull, still have not looked at what needs to be cleaned up on it though.  Maybe tomorrow.  I got some more base coat white down on the bottom hulls.  Need to wet sand them though in preparation for the next coats of white.  I added some more light blocking for the RCS thrusters using the black paint in AK Lacquer series, and wow, that paint is AWESOME!  Super flat and looks amazing.  Hopefully it will also be that extra bit of light blocking will do its job!  All 4 nacelles are now prepped for their white base coats, and I have been cleaning up all of the little pieces that I have already sprayed white.  If it had not rained essentially during my entire staycation would be a little farther along, which is frustrating.  Another sad thing is that the Falcon had to get disassembled to make some more table space to hold all of the painted parts.  But hey it is LEGO, will be fun to put her back together.  Making progress.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on September 12, 2018, 07:16:42 am
Ya know, James, I didn't really have a sense of scale of these models until I saw you holding one of the nacelles. WHOA! That is a BIG ship! (Either that or you're a really small person!  ;D )

Otherwise, I agree with Al, you are doing an excellent job for working in an unfamiliar medium.

I'm pretty sure I know what you are talking about as far as pressure casting and pressure vessels, but I haven't seen one in action. I'll look into it.

Keep going! Due to my busy work schedule I am lurking more than contributing but I enjoy your posts!

Keep going!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 17, 2018, 08:45:54 pm
Steve,

The model is too big.  I should have invested in a larger painting gun and a larger air booth.  I am getting the work done at a level I want, but I keep making it harder than it should be.  For example, moving the very large nacelle around in the air booth I sometimes whack it on the air booth, causing damage to the paint I just put down, which is REALLY frustrating.  So, if I do another set of there, I am going to look into making/buying a bigger air booth and a bigger spraying mechanism. 

For the pressure vessel, I have several painting vessels I got from Harbor Freight that are good to 4 bar or about 60 PSI.  A friend and I made a much larger vessel out of 10 inch pipe with a welded end cap and another bolt on end cap.  I will pressurize this to about 75 PSI when I cast.  the weight of this is about 100 pounds though.  I move about every 2 years, and the government only pays for so much weight, so I can't get a larger vessel.  Also, the bigger the cross section the thicker the material.  I can't imagine the weight of a 3 foot wide vessel rated to 100 PSI, LOLOL, you are talking several hundred pounds and very expensive to fab or buy.

Update #59

I did not feel like doing any sanding in the last few days, but I have gotten a lot of white paint down.  The Enterprise bottom saucer section is almost done with base coat.  The little extra bits, bridge, sensor thingy and the impulse housing are about done.  I got another round of putty and sanding on the photo etch for the officer club on the E top section.  Will look at that tomorrow.  Hopefully it is ready for paint.  I need to sand the Reliant bottom and Enterprise bottom though at some point soon to get the last coats of base white on there.  I am debating on doing some painting on the bottom sections before I install the electronics.  I know I will completely paint the 5 bots off model before installing them, I think I will do the same with the aztecing on the E and R.  Not sure.  Progress continues.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on September 18, 2018, 08:26:32 am
That looks awesome so far.  What a project!

Shawn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 24, 2018, 07:11:06 pm
Shawn,

Thanks for the words of encouragement!

Update #60

More painting and sanding. 

The Good - the 4 nacelles are ready for touch up sanding and then a finish coat of base white, then they are ready for additional paint details.  I need to check light blocking one last time though before I continue with the painting. 

The Bad - I discovered an issue, which will drive a longer paint time on the upper saucer for both the E and R.  I am glad I saw this now and I think my new way of painting will fix the problem, who knows though.  You can see the first light coat on the Es upper saucer section.

The Ugly - The issue was paint lifting at intersections of planes.  Basically, randomly, paint would delaminate from the part and sort of puff up.  On the same part, painted the same day, you would not get consistent bubbling, and I saw ZERO bubbling on flat surfaces.  Guess what I did all of my primer and lacquer paint testing on, large flat surfaces, boo.  So, I went back in and scribe all of the panel lines on the bottom of the E saucer, but this chipped the paint around the scribe lines.  I almost have all of this fixed and repainted.  I have a half a coat to go, tomorrow night, then a light sanding and a visual inspection.  The last pic shows you a bubbling section.  I am going to strip all of the paint off of one of the bottom sensor pieces, I have lost too much detail getting everything cleaned up.  I would rather spend some time removing all of the buildup and redoing the paint to get a crisp looking part.  Bummer, but will be a better model in the long run. 

I need to go buy some super soft cotton fabric to make to piece holders so as not to scratch up the finished assemblies.  Also will need to start working on the masks for the Es nacelles.  I am doing the 5 color refit, so the masks I have bought do not have everything needed for that. 

So making forward progress.  I have collected a large selection of parts and pieces to build out the three shuttle bays that are required.  I also have all of the electronics ready to be installed on the stuff I am painting now.  That will be less than a day.  So huge progress, may not seem like, but the foundation is nearing completion.

Cheers,
James

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on September 25, 2018, 10:55:37 am
Ugh, that sucks about the paint chipping up.  I can just picture your description of resubscribing lines only to have the paint chip up.  What a mess.

I feel your pain.  Hang in there.

Shawn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on September 25, 2018, 09:06:06 pm
Shawn,

I will not quit!  Unless my morale completely breaks, which happened on my Falcon model.  I stepped on the canopy for the cockpit and just put her away, :(.

Update #61

I figured out what was causing my lifting issue.  Essentially the lacquer based white paint would pool some on the non-flat surfaces and this was causing the problem.  So, lesson learned, lighter coats on the non-flat surfaces.  I also stripped down a part, reprepped it and only painted it with the white, WOW, much better, MUCH better.  I have already started stripping the other 3 parts.  This will drive some work on light blocking changes, but that will allow for a better looking model when done.  I am glad I stripped them.  I am going to hit the bottom E saucer with some sanding, and see if I am happy with how it looks, if not, I think I will strip the whole saucer and start over.  Some more light coats put down on the top saucer.  Progress.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on October 04, 2018, 07:49:10 am
James,

While it may sound very much like a fortune cookie fortune, "Sometimes you must go back to go forward!"

On more than one occasion, I have had to pop seams, unseal, strip paint, and generally undo weeks of work, but the results are so much better!

Stay Strong and keep going. 

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on October 05, 2018, 12:41:40 pm
Steve,

I agree on the step backwards to move forwards.  The final product will look much better, cleaner and crisper.

Update #62

So I stripped the bottom saucer, and the left over top and bottom parts.  I re-sanded the parts.  The top and bottom ad on parts are repainted, will get sanded tonight and 1 more coat and they are then DONE with the base coating.  They look MUCH better now, and I look forward to getting actual colors down on them.  Also, making some nice soft part holders, so I can do work on the electronics without damaging the paint job. 

I tried something new on the saucer, since stripping the saucer was easier than painting it.  I am outlining all of the hull lines with black, then painting 2 coats of white over it.  This will add a little highlight to the lines without standing out too much, and it cleans up the area, makes everything look neater.  The pics do not do it justice, but in person it looks better.  So, going to line the rest of the saucer tonight and get those coats down this weekend, I think, unless I work on the sensor bands.


Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on October 05, 2018, 04:24:58 pm
James, I think your idea to backtrack and then highlight the hull panel lines was a good one.  It adds dimensionality to the surface.  Are you familiar with panel line washes?  Tamiya makes a great enamel based panel line wash originally developed for airplane panels.  After first giving the model a gloss or satin finish, the wash is applied and via capillary action, runs down the panel.  It's very effective and the only cleanup is to dab a few areas with a cotton swab moistened with thinner. 
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on October 08, 2018, 07:44:36 am
Looks better now.  Just a pain to have to do that sort of thing, but in the end it will be the better solution.

Shawn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on October 10, 2018, 10:24:18 pm
AW - I went and purchased a pigmented permanent black line to use to fill in the panel lines, no longer using paint, much faster and a better finish.

Shawn - painful, but better!

Update #63

So I finished one of the saucer sections that had primer down first then the white and I was unable to get the panel lines to work out properly.  I am sad that I spent all that effort which is now wasted, but glad I learned some good experience out of this.  So, very happy with how the saucer section came out that was not primed, ALL of the panel lines are super crisp.  I think you can see on the top part of the saucer section the softness of about half the panel lines.  So, off to strip it down.  I will also strip down all of the Reliant hull parts to.  So, I am out about $30 in primer lolol.  For the nacelles, I am about down, and since there are essentially no panel lines, I have not had this puffing up issue with just a few exception, which I can carefully clean up and fix.  The bad, time and money wasted, the good, earned some great experience in working with these paints and getting much better with my air brush and paint sanding skills. 

This weekend going to work on my sewing skills.  I need to make some padding and other holder pieces so I can flip over these base coated parts and install the electronics. 

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on October 11, 2018, 08:09:07 pm
Update #64

Finished stripping the top saucer, sanded it up to 1500 grit, and lined out all of the panel lines.  I got 2 of the 4 nacelles on their last sanding painting step.  The area being touched up is very small.  Each time I do this, I have about 10% the amount of work from the previous effort.  Started stripping the Reliant bottom part.  I placed another quart of white on order, I am just about out of it now.  I should have enough to touch up the nacelles and 1 or 2 spots on the Enterprise bottom.  I do not have enough to start the Enterprise top paint yet.  Good progress this week.  I am going TDY though for 2 weeks so comms out from me for a while.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on October 12, 2018, 08:19:59 am
Those saucer lines look great.  Looks like it was worth the effort.

Shawn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on November 11, 2018, 08:34:02 pm
Shawn,

Thanks for the compliment!

Update #65

I am still alive!  I was TDY for a few weeks which slowed down progress on the E and R.  However, with the three day weekend a ton of progress this weekend, which is awesome!  I did another round of sanding and painting on the upper E saucer section and all 4 nacelles.  I think I understand what is going on with why I am having paint issues in small areas of the models.  I think the resin is sweating not sure what to call it, or out gassing.  This is what is causing the problems.  I washed everything long ago, and again before I started painting, but this might be the problem.  I know the model was made in the winter, and was delayed due to weather.  He could not cast if it was too cold, I wonder if this played a part.  The good thing, the paint is getting there, every time I go through this pain, there is 80% less to touch up, I am hoping I am about done with the base coats on these parts.  Will know tomorrow when I go over them.  On the bright side, I am getting really good at blending in repair paint work, lol!

So I got tired of just doing body work, and went ahead and installed the electronics in the Es saucer section.  I love cleaning up the wiring, my inner OCD.  One benefit of this is that I am not worried about joints vibrating lose in transit or if the worst happens the model fall over.  Every joint is soldered, heat shrinked and then glued down.  I need to go back in and add some light blocking in between the RCS thrusters and the light boxes for the hull lighting.  I still have the wires for the planetary sensor and the lasers to run.  I am still thinking on how to solve the lasers, but have a good idea on how. 

I am going to finish cleaning up the bottom of the R hull tomorrow and hopefully get paint back down on it.  I have a lot of cooking to do tomorrow, so not sure if I will have time for everything though.

Although there is a pile of white parts, so much has been done on these kits.  I have been spending a lot of time recently also working on the bases.  I am thinking of not doing the navigation panel style of base.  Still thinking on that, a ton of extra work for that.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on November 12, 2018, 06:26:27 am
Hey James, glad to have you back.  You are the king of light boxes!  Your electrical work is definitely of the OCD variety, but I hope you know you're already well over half an amp on that saucer alone, even if you've conservatively resistored for 10 ma per LED!  You're going to need more than a walwart by the time you're done:)
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on November 12, 2018, 08:17:44 am
Now that is how to do wiring.  Very cool.  I'm glad you are getting a handle on the painting.  Sounds like a real pain in the neck having to deal with that. 

Shawn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on November 12, 2018, 09:26:35 am
Al,

There is no wall wart for these guys.  I will use basically a PC cord from the wall into the box and a power supply in the base.  Somewhere in the 50W range, which might require a fan or two, going to run some thermal calculations first.  Also realize, that I down voltage a lot of those LEDs to increase their life span, so lower amperage per LED, but I added extra LEDs to get the same amount of light.  Here are some part references if you are so interested. 

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/phihong-usa/AC30UNA/993-1039-ND/2384475

https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=Q207-ND

https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=PSA409-ND

Cheers,

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: AlW on November 12, 2018, 04:33:49 pm
Hey James, I should've known you'd already have it spec'd out!  That 4.5 amp supply looks pretty good.  Thanks for posting the links.  Al
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on December 02, 2018, 08:52:48 pm
I love planning, almost as much fun as building!  I also love spreadsheets, and I am always the life of the party!  One of those statements is inaccurate!  LOL

Update #66

Has been a while, some family trauma has limited the build hours lately.  Most of what I have been doing though is sanding and cleaning up parts.  The first pic is of completed base white parts, got the two Reliant nacelles in there, woohoo!  I am on the 7th coat for the top Enterprise saucer.  I did a bunch of finish sanding on it and hit it with its last coat, hopefully.  I got the Reliant bottom hull sanded out and the first coat of white down.  Spent days sanding this guy, while not perfect, close.  There were some areas where I would do more damage to try and fix it than what I would end up with.  Also realize, I look at all of this through a 4x magnifying glass, so, I create a lot of my own problems.  I have talked about the resin and lacquer not playing well with each other, I have a close up of an area that has an issue.  My solution is to put down 5 coats of paint, sand flat, add another coat.  This seems to get the nice flat finish I am looking for, and there seems to be good adhesion to the resin below.  I have done some taping and violent tape removal and all is well.  I am down to just a few little touch up areas on the Enterprise nacelles.  Super close on those guys also.  I have the Reliant top stripped, and I am documenting where and what size all of the greebles are on the top of the hull.  I plan on sanding a lot of the top hull flat and putting my own detail back in.  Easiest way in the long run to get a super nice finish on this highly visible part.

I am also working with Matt over at Laserfire Creations on the bases.  I do wood working as another hobby, and plan on doing veneer work on the base to spruce it up some.  Most likely some sort of burl, I love me some burl.  Here is a link to some amazing walnut burl.

https://www.veneersupplies.com/products/AAA-Walnut-Burl-Veneer-Lot--165-x-14-6-Sheets-Per-Lot.html

Progress continues.  I really look forward to getting the electronics into the Reliant and FINALLY figuring out where I can drill that darn mounting hole!

Cheers,
James

Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on December 03, 2018, 08:48:54 am
James, first and foremost, I am sorry to hear about your family trauma. I hope you and all of your's are okay.

The limited bench time is undestandable considering both the holidays and the above. Hang tough, Buddy.

The pics look great!

Be sure to post about your base, too. Very interested.

Steady as she goes!

Steve
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on December 03, 2018, 09:58:01 am
Looks great so far.   Agreed with Steve about the Trauma.  No fun.

Shawn
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on December 03, 2018, 11:05:50 pm
Thanks guys, the good news is that the wife doesn't have lung cancer, but she does have a long recovery, but will recover!
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: jwood314 on December 09, 2018, 06:14:56 pm
Update #67

I have not sanded in a while, but will later this week.  I got the last coat on the Reliant base before I go sand it all flat, and then add more paint!  Progress, but slow.  I really need a bigger airbrush booth, but alasThe picture is of a pile of white parts, that I am almost happy with.  Going to wait a few days, then go over the nacelles with a fine tooth comb before declaring them base coated.  The last pic is of the mask work I am doing for the sensor dome for both the R and the E.  I am ready to cut vinyl, sometime this week.  I am concerned about how small the squares are and the cutting blade being able to cut that small, guess we shall see what the machine can do!  I have ordered the plastic to redo the greebles on the Reliant top hull.  I want as much of the cuts to be machined made as possible to keep everything clean.  Cleaned up the hobby tables, and doing work on some of the upcoming photo etch.  Oh, also ordered a buffing kit for my drill, the sheen on the E saucer top goes from gloss to semi to satin.  I need to buff it all to the same sheen, hopefully this gets me there.  Almost time to scratch build the officer mess that goes behind the glass!  Will do all of the electronics first, but getting close to needing that next step.

Progress keeps on keeping on.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: Mutara Nebula DeBoers Enterprise and Reliant Build
Post by: Shawn McClure on December 10, 2018, 08:17:21 am
Looks fantastic.   I'm really happy to hear your wife doesn't have lung cancer.  What a relief.

Shawn