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Title: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on January 24, 2019, 09:49:33 pm
So like a lot of us, i drift from one project to another, and back again.
Spend too long on one and get bored so do another for a while.

After spending ages on my 1m long Omega class Destroyer, (http://scifimodelaction.com/sfmaforum/index.php?topic=6666.0 (http://scifimodelaction.com/sfmaforum/index.php?topic=6666.0))i needed to do something different, so after finishing off a 1/35 military kit, i switched to another spaceship.
Have finally finished designing my Sulaco for 3d printing. She's set to be about 800mm long, which will actually fit on my bookshelf.
The antenna etc on the front are about 150mm of that 800mm, so she actually seems quite small. It would scale up (or down) though, just have to use bigger screws.
I started printing it last night, and will be a couple of weeks until all the parts are made, havent done a count yet but guessing about 150-200.

Am still adding detail to 2 last parts, the front face where the antenna mount (adding piping, ducts, panels etc), and same on the rear engine panel.
Theres still a lot of scope for adding detail with styrene, and she'll have a 12mm aluminium tube running down the centre for strength and rigidity.
I've made the dropship bay underneath open so i can light it, and am working on a little drop ship to put in it, but thats only going to be about 30mm long so wont be heavily detailed.

Thoughts, comments, etc?

This is the model:

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/Sulaco.jpg)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: scottminium on January 27, 2019, 08:22:23 am
Love that ship!  This one is pretty large again, where do you keep them?

And a great movie as well, with lots of quotable parts:
"Is there anything I can do?"
"I don't know, is there anything you can do?"
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 27, 2019, 10:00:51 am
Awesome ship.  I didn't realize it took that long to print stuff.  Wow.   Anyway, that should be pretty cool when done.

No kidding on the quotable movie.  I think I have seen that like 6 times.  Great stuff.

"Why don't you put her in charge."

Shawn
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on January 28, 2019, 06:01:12 am
It is one of the most quotable movies ever.
"Game over man, game over!"

And not to forget the classic: "Get away from her you b!tch!"

Got a heap printed on the weekend, and have most of the structure built.
I've designed it so all the internal frame gets screwed together, and then attach the detail panels afterwards. I'm a little unhappy with the frame in the front section, didnt go together as easy as i'd like. I've already re-designed that part so will re-print it.
Theres also a few parts that once printed i could see things that could be changed, so have a few bits to tweak. But made good progress!

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s1.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s2.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s3.JPG)

Underneath the front end (front on the left)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s4.JPG)

Top rear
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s5.JPG)

Bottom rear
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s6.JPG)

Detail panels
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s7.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Decoman on January 28, 2019, 07:09:17 am
Fascinating!

Q: Do you plan to replicate all parts with 3D printing, or would you build the basic framework and sort of build the models like ILM's Star Wars ships, being scratchbuilt/kit bash'ing.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Shawn McClure on January 28, 2019, 07:46:29 am
Those parts look great!

Shawn
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on January 28, 2019, 08:49:55 pm
Fascinating!

Q: Do you plan to replicate all parts with 3D printing, or would you build the basic framework and sort of build the models like ILM's Star Wars ships, being scratchbuilt/kit bash'ing.

It will be almost entirely 3d printed. Will only be using styrene for fine details, piping, etc.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: khitomer on January 30, 2019, 01:58:16 am
Any possibility of sharing the 3D files on Thingiverse or similar site? Amazing work.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on January 30, 2019, 09:46:51 pm
Any possibility of sharing the 3D files on Thingiverse or similar site? Amazing work.

Once its finished and i'm happy with the design i'll probably look at selling it if theres interest.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: scottminium on February 01, 2019, 05:27:53 pm
"Nuke the entire site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure."

How the heck do you do the design work?
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 02, 2019, 04:18:31 am
"Nuke the entire site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure."

How the heck do you do the design work?

That is one of the best quotes from the movie :D

I design it slowly... I tend to look at references, and sort of break it up into chunks along lines within the model. With this one i think i stated from the top center gun section since it was a simple shape. Then i'll add a piece for the front top curved head section, then bits under that... and so on and so on, and basically build it up to get the basic shape. Then i'll start adding detail to each section until i have a big solid ship. Then depending on the size of the pieces, i'll start carving it up into print size pieces, then hollow it out, then add assembly tabs, holes etc.

I kind of think of it as carving a chunk of virtual wood lol.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 02, 2019, 09:39:21 am
Eureka, after going through 3 different designs for an internal frame this week, i've finally got one that works and assembles the way i want!
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 03, 2019, 05:25:42 am
Progress...
I have about 95% of it printed, theres more printed than in this pic, but they're detail parts, panels etc that if i taped on it'd be nothing but a mass of yellow tape. It doesnt have the details on the top, nor on the side pontoon/gun things so they look a bit dull for now, but they're printed and ready to be glued on after some sanding.
Printing more of the front antenna atm, then the only real parts left are the top and bottom guns, and the rear engine panel.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s8.jpg)

Have a box full of superseded parts from different internal frames, and detail parts where i missed something, or forgot to add a screw tab to or something!
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s9.jpg)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Tiburon on February 06, 2019, 10:12:21 pm
Very nice work so far.

What printer are you using? Looks like its putting out some high resolution prints.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 07, 2019, 09:34:27 pm
I've got a couple of printers, just i3 clones, but i've spent time getting them tuned properly, so i get pretty good results.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 09, 2019, 09:25:52 am
I've finished printing! (except for 1 reprint for a piece i broke)
Most of the week has been tweaking and reprinting parts that had fit issues, or missing bits, or to make changes like adding holes for mounting on the base etc etc. And i think i'm happy with it. Theres a few places that need extra detail, but that will be added with styrene as they're things like piping, or small greebly detail.

At the moment its all screwed together, tape in some places, or tiny drops of glue to test the fit. And i think its all good!
Next is disassembly, sand/putty/prime/sand/putty/prime.... you all know the drill!

(apology for the pic quality, quick phone snaps)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s10.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s11.JPG)

Engines, these will be getting lots of styrene rod/tube/strips to add plumbing.
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s12.JPG)

Underneath (i havent attached the other pylon thing)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s13.JPG)

Front end. Still has some styrene antenna to add, also some piping/greebly detail on the flat areas. Also needs some cleanup on the antenna still, they're straight off the printer and just on for test fitting.
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s14.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Tiburon on February 09, 2019, 07:23:07 pm
I have a question about 3D printing in general. How easy is it to sand the printing
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 09, 2019, 08:40:16 pm
No dramas at all, same as any other plastic.
Amount of sanding required just depends on the quality of the printed part.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 09, 2019, 10:51:58 pm
Barring any changes i might make, it ended up being 146 parts, took 92 hours of printer time, and weighs 1039gm.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s17.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 12, 2019, 06:07:29 am
Been busy sanding for a few days, and started proper assembly with glue this evening.
Made changes to 2 parts and re-printing them at the moment, so design-wise i think its done!
Hoping to have it assembled/puttied/primed/etc by the weekend so i can start adding little styrene details for panels, piping etc etc.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 18, 2019, 04:07:19 am
Fully built!
I decided to go light on the extra styrene details, just a few panels, strips here and there, plus a bunch of small greeblies from my model leftovers box. I also found a photo etch set from a sherman tank that i no longer have so have put various pieces of that here and there, to add detail, break up flat areas etc. Hard to see in these pics given the size of the ship.
But i decided i wanted to keep it close to plain 3d printed. Is it 100% super screen accurate? Hell no. But does it look like what its meant to be? Yep, good enough for me.
Now she's ready for paint!

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s18.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s19.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s20.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: modelerdave on February 18, 2019, 08:41:23 am
Love it!
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on February 19, 2019, 04:06:43 am
Gave her a flat black base coat this evening.
That highlighted a few spots where i hadnt sanded it smooth properly, which you can see here mainly on the side panel of the engine section. So once the paint is dry i'll sand that bit, and smooth it out with some thin putty. A few little scratches here and there that need the same attention, but not a lot.

(http://​​http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s21.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 02, 2019, 01:33:02 am
Fixed up the scratches and bad spots the primer showed up. Little bit of putty, little bit of extra sanding to clean it up.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s22.JPG)


Re-primed it, then gave it the first overall coat of grey. The camera flash lightens it a bit.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s23.JPG)

Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 02, 2019, 01:34:05 am
Without flash... which makes the panel edges look darker than they are!

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s24.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Dogs Bollocks on March 02, 2019, 02:46:56 am
Very cool! I seriously wish I had the money to invest in a quality 3D printer. Although I suspect I would spend way to much time churning out widgets than actually model building!  :-\
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: khitomer on March 02, 2019, 02:59:40 am
Looking fantastic! Any update on selling/sharing the 3D files?
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 03, 2019, 03:05:55 am
Looking fantastic! Any update on selling/sharing the 3D files?

Yeah i'll be selling the files, and a printed model if theres interest. I was just going to wait until mine is done and painted so people can see it.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 03, 2019, 03:08:01 am
Started to do some shading. Toned down the black in the panel lines a bit, then added some shading to the panels. The studio model was very splotchy, and kind of blue/grey, but i'm going for more of a military grey tone. still have some variations, shading, and weathering to do, bu she's getting there. I did the "Sulaco" text a little too big i think, but close enough. Will have to paint the "USS" by hand.

Its also hard to get the colours right in a photo in my hobby room under lights. I'll do some good ones when i'm happy with it.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s25.JPG)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s26.JPG)


(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s25.JPG)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s26.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 03, 2019, 03:20:56 am
This is the studio model, one of the original builders has it at his house.
Its a bit more blue-grey, but you can see how much shading it has, so i still have a bit to do.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s27.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s28.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s29.JPG)
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s30.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 03, 2019, 11:09:28 pm
How hard can it be to paint "U.S.S."????? Except of course when its only about 5mm tall! Far out.

Gonna have to order some decal transfer film for printing I think, do it that way.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 04, 2019, 08:28:02 am
It is remarkably difficult to take a pic of a ship that is shaded in light grey, medium grey, dark grey, neutral grey, german grey, sky grey, ijn grey, nato black, rubschwarz, tire black, oil black, and who knows how many variations thereof...

I painted over the SULACO logo, it was too big, and i couldnt do the "USS" part small and neat enough. So i've ordered some printer decal sheet so i can print it and do it as a decal. Once thats on and ive blended it in, i think it'll be finished. Then i'll try and get some good photos under good light. In the meantime, these are pretty close, though dont quite show the shading as well as they should.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s31.JPG)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s32.JPG)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s33.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: jwood314 on March 04, 2019, 09:17:56 pm
LOVE IT!
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 09, 2019, 04:59:32 am
FFS, i got some clear decal paper for inkjet printers, the kind from Bare-Metal, scaled and printed the ships name, printed fine.
Sprayed on a fixative lacquer as they suggest, all good. Once dry i put it in water to soften the decal... and as i lift it out the ink just falls off!

They do suggest using Microscale Liquid Decal Film specifically, but other articles online say any clear lacquer will do. Guess not!
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: jwood314 on March 09, 2019, 09:55:53 pm
I think I used lacquer clear coat, usually 3 light coats before dunking them in water, I have been able to use them off of an ink jet in the past.  I think I used the Testers paper.

Cheers,
James
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 09, 2019, 10:35:40 pm
I couldnt find the Liquid Decal Film locally, but i did find Testors Decal Bonder Spray, which is supposedly the same thing. About to try it.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on March 10, 2019, 11:00:35 pm
The testors decal bonder spray seems to have worked. The decal film is a bit thick though, and i still need to put some decal setting solution on it, then do some spraying to make it more matte, and tone down the black a bit.
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: MSgtUSAFRet on March 12, 2019, 07:47:25 am
This looks awesome, Your Majesty!

I tried the testers bonding spray and it ate my decals. Happy to read your's worked well.

When you write about the film being a bit thick, do you mean the decal film? I ordered some clear decal sheets (http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=71b33aaf947e291aa3db424edc35254a&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MD&Product_Code=02-0&Category_Code=TF) here and found they were excellent for achieving a painted on look.

Just a thought!

Keep going as this is an awesome build.

Steve
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on April 02, 2019, 01:35:52 am
Well i completely ballsed up the Sulaco decal. When i put a matte clearcoat over it, it would up with white tide marks around it, possibly some kind of reaction to decalset. I grabbed the airbrush to try and tidy them up, but ended ruining the definition of the text on the decal.

In the end i sanded it back and repainted the grey.

I was sitting there thinking:
"Damn i cant cut the USS letters small enough, and the bigger letters dont necessarily come out well when cut either. Wish i had a sticker cutting machine so i could cut a nice mask"
And then like an idiot i facepalmed when i realised, i could have just used the 3d printer to print a paint mask! So thats what i've done, but havent had time to paint it yet. This ship name is literally the only thing holding it back from being finished!
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on April 02, 2019, 01:37:00 am
I have also decided to freely share the STL files for those who want to print their own :)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on April 07, 2019, 08:27:36 am
Well i'm as happy as i'm going to get with the name i think. The "USS" is a little larger than i'd like at 5mm. But i can live with it.
Now just need to do a little bit of panel painting around it, and it'll be finished!

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s34.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Kingbob on April 08, 2019, 08:51:57 am
800mm of Colonial Marine badassery!

I just need to add a bit of panel shading around the name, and she's done! And will take some decent photos on the weekend, hopefully get a starry night and take it outside.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~canison/Sulaco/s35.JPG)
Title: Re: 800mm 3d printed Sulaco
Post by: Decoman on April 11, 2019, 07:50:01 am
Very nice seeing photos with these shadows.

I think the charm of "greeble" in the old days where the shadow casting thingies on models. Now, people things models with an erratic pattern on them is interesting to look at, terrible :O