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Offline Gadgetron_3000

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Hi, Everyone!

Now that the Polar Lights / Round 2 1:350 TOS Enterprise kit has been re-popped (kit number POL938 - http://round2corp.com/product/star-trek-tos-enterprise-50th-anniversary-edition/) and is shipping, many have become disappointed with Round 2's paint guide which has been matched to the Smithsonian's latest findings.  With the original release of the kit, Round 2 provided specific Tamiya / Testors color suggestions.  This time, however, Round 2 has decided to translate the Smithsonian-released colorimeter readings (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/revealing-colors-star-trek-enterprise) into color swatches and has left it to each modeler to come up with his/her own matches.

The new kit prints out the updated guide on a huge poster card, and at this time Round 2 has not publicly shared that guide as a large-format digital image.

There are some dedicated modelers, however, who have taken the same Smithsonian information, added some updates by Gary Kerr, and released detailed references of their own.  Here is the latest of what I could gather together...

- Orthographic Color Reference - Version 4 - Daniel_B: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6007769-post1296.html











- Digital Color Swatches - MGagen 070504: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6010178-post1313.html



- Digital Color Swatches - Trek Ace: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6093273-post1466.html



And here are some additional notes from Star Trek historian Gary Kerr (who worked on the latest Smithsonian 11-foot TOS Enterprise restoration team and who helped Round 2 with the design of the 1:350 TOS Enterprise kit):

- 8/20/2016: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6010234-post1316.html
- 11/23/2016: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6093713-post1472.html
- 11/30/2016: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6099081-post1527.html
- 12/14/2016: http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6110881-post1631.html

I hope this helps those who have been itching to paint / repaint their TOS Enterprise model kits.

I'll update things as information continues to come in.

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« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 01:07:11 pm by Gadgetron_3000 »
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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 09:09:14 pm »
Thanks for posting this Gadetron.

For those who want to take these number and bash them against various other color models as well as matching to different paint manufacturer (non-model making paints) you can plug these numbers into the www.easyrgb.com website's engine:


From RGB to commercial tints
« Last Edit: March 23, 2017, 03:36:44 am by Lestatdelc »
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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 09:34:26 pm »
I'm sorry, this type of color breakdown is beyond me. Has anyone decided to mix and sell the various accurate paints in a set? Or at leas a reference such as found in TrekModelers Refit Painting Guide?
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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2016, 01:41:19 pm »
Has anyone decided to mix and sell the various accurate paints in a set? Or at leas a reference such as found in TrekModelers Refit Painting Guide?

This actually is one of my pet projects I hope to tackle in the new year. I want to work out a way to get the base colors for opaque equivalents of printers' Cyan, Magenta, Yellow inks so you can use CYMK numerical values to easily get mix ratios of any RGB to CMYK convert numerical numbers. That and/or a mix/conversion of the Munsell and L*a*b* color numbers not pigment-based acrylic base color paints.

If I can get it all worked out, you should be able to go to any local paint store and buy gallons of the base acrylic colors and be able to mix any color you want, in precise ratios, by simply plugging in the RGB numbers and converting them into Photoshop, or any of the myriad online free color cover web[age apps.

There are also free webpage based converters that can let yu look up the RGB and L*a*b* color values of all the FS (Federal Standard) paint colors. This would allow you to precisely mix and match the full range of military colors, not just the dozen or so that Tamiya and Testors decide to make.
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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2016, 08:34:31 pm »
Hi, Everyone!

So looking at the Smithsonian's August 17, 2016 "Revealing the Colors of the Star Trek Enterprise" article (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/revealing-colors-star-trek-enterprise), I've used various tools available online (http://colorizer.org/ and http://trycolors.com/) to figure out approximate paint mixtures.

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Production Hull Gray-Green
LAB: L 64.45  A -3.53  B 2.40
RGB: 151.51, 158.04, 151.87
Hex: #989e98
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/989e98/):
- There is no simple formula for #989e98, but color #999f99 is similar by 99.9%
- Color #999f99 name: grayish green
- #999f99 can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 5 drops of red, 5 drops of cyan, 1 drop of green, 4 drops of white

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: Benjamin Moore "Heather Gray" # 2139-40 (https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/color-overview/find-your-color/color/2139-40/heather-gray?color=2139-40)
- Actual match is less green and less yellow (chip currently available from Benjamin Moore)

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Pilot Hull Blue-Gray
LAB: L 62.96  A -1.97  B -4.20
RGB: 144.8, 153.71, 159.62
Hex: #919aa0
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/919aa0/):
- There is no simple formula for #919aa0, but color #9da5aa is similar by 98.4%
- Color #9da5aa name: grayish blue
- #9da5aa can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 3 drops of yellow, 4 drops of magenta, 5 drops of cyan, 1 drop of white

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: Sherwin Williams "Babbling Brooke" # HGSW3364 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/HGTV-HOME-by-Sherwin-Williams-Babbling-Brooke-Interior-Eggshell-Paint-Sample-Actual-Net-Contents-31-fl-oz/50388902)
- Actual match is slightly darker, and slightly less red

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Light Gray accent color
LAB: L 81.37  A -2.23  B -0.37
RGB: 197.33, 203.47, 202.72
Hex: #c5cbcb
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/c5cbcb/):
- There is no simple formula for #c5cbcb, but color #b3bbbb is similar by 97.7%
- Color #b3bbbb name: grayish cyan
- #b3bbbb can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 2 drops of magenta, 1 drop of cyan, 2 drops of green, 5 drops of white

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: Pratt and Lambert "Nickel" #2232 (http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/color/1808_Pratt--Lambert-2232-Nickel)
- No adjustments needed ("Calibrated Colors IV" color deck)

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Medium Gray accent color
LAB: L 66.89  A -0.55  B 3.99
RGB: 164.91, 162.77, 155.59
Hex: #a5a39c
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/a5a39c/):
- There is no simple formula for #a5a39c, but color #a49d86 is similar by 96.4%
- Color #a49d86 name: dark grayish khaki
- #a49d86 can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 5 drops of yellow, 4 drops of magenta, 1 drop of blue, 4 drops of cyan

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: Pratt and Lambert "Half-tone" #2298 (http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/color/19784_Pratt--Lambert-2298-Half-tone)
- No adjustments needed ("Calibrated Colors IV" color deck)

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Dark Gray accent color
LAB: L 49.13  A -0.52  B  1.20
RGB: 116.73, 116.93, 114.69
Hex: #757573
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/757573/):
- There is no simple formula for #757573, but color #808079 is similar by 98%
- Color #808079 name: grayish yellow
- #808079 can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 4 drops of yellow, 2 drops of magenta, 5 drops of blue, 1 drop of cyan

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: Pratt and Lambert "Gettysburg" #2242 (http://www.myperfectcolor.com/en/color/61250_Pratt--Lambert-2242-Gettysburg)
- No adjustments needed ("Calibrated Colors IV" color deck)

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Yellow markings
LAB: L 79.72  A  -10.24  B  56.78
RGB: 211.53, 200.57, 87.07
Hex: #d4c957
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/d4c957/):
- There is no simple formula for #d4c957, but color #d5c955 is similar by 99.6%
- Color #d5c955 name: soft yellow
- #d5c955 can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 3 drops of yellow, 1 drop of red, 1 drop of cyan, 1 drop of white

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: FS 595B # 23785 (http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=23785)
- Actual match is slightly darker, slightly greener, and slightly less yellow

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Red markings
LAB: L 37.26  A 40.76  B 16.79
RGB: 150.97, 55.15, 62.8
Hex: #97373f
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/97373f/):
- There is no simple formula for #97373f, but color #92343d is similar by 99.3%
- Color #92343d name: dark medium red
- #92343d can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 3 drops of red, 5 drops of magenta, 4 drops of green, 2 drops of black

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: Valspar "Cut-ruby" #1009-4 (http://m.valsparpaint.com/color-detail.php?id=1245&g=1001)
- Actual match slightly less red and slightly less yellow

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Turbo Lift Green
LAB: L 46.63  A -5.39  B 5.09
RGB: 104.71, 112.94, 101.85
Hex: #697166
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/697166/):
- There is no simple formula for #697166, but color #707e6b is similar by 97.4%
- Color #707e6b name: dark grayish grass green
- #707e6b can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 3 drops of yellow, 4 drops of blue, 4 drops of white, 5 drops of black

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: FS 595B #34159 (http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34159)
- Actual match slightly lighter, slightly less green and slightly more yellow

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Dorsal Aqua accent color
LAB: L 56.60  A -21.72  B -17.72
RGB: 51.47, 147.6, 165.77
Hex: #3394a6
Mix / Blend (http://trycolors.com/colors/3394a6/):
- There is no simple formula for #3394a6, but color #3392a2 is similar by 99.5%
- Color #3392a2 name: medium bluish cian
- #3392a2 can be obtained by mixing 4 colors: 5 drops of blue, 1 drop of cyan, 2 drops of green, 2 drops of white

Smithsonian Notes:
- Approximate match: FS 595B #35275 (http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35275)
- Requires thinning to a very transparent wash

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Thanks to GalaxyStranger01 (https://plus.google.com/b/109660073537038906328/106510922114004373479/posts?pageId=109660073537038906328) for the link to trycolors.com.

I hope this helps people out.

I'll, of course, continue to update things as more information comes in.

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2016, 05:21:43 pm »
Thanks so much for all this information, Gagdetron.

I am brand new here. I purchased a TOS and also a ST:TMP version of the kits, not knowing that Polar Lights was reprinting the TOS version. I paid about $180 for each kit; hopefully I didn't get burned too badly.

I purchased a digital Bussard light kit from TenaControls. I just didn't like the sound of the motors turning. I also have a bunch of single density warm white lights coming in from HDA. I hope these lights will be bright enough. I have built model kits before, but it has been a while since I actually finished a kit. I have done wiring before on a RC 1/6th scale Tiger 1. So I know a very little bit about electronics and model building. I have a great passion for the TOS Enterprise series, and have dreamed about a kit like this since I was 8 years old (about to turn 55). Hopefully I have enough basic knowledge to build these two kits. Ralph at TenaControls talked to me about making sure I "lightblock" the kits, which was something I didn't even think about.

I'll close for now, at this point I am making comments on the wrong thread, I am sure.

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2016, 09:23:08 am »
Has anyone decided to mix and sell the various accurate paints in a set? Or at leas a reference such as found in TrekModelers Refit Painting Guide?

This actually is one of my pet projects I hope to tackle in the new year. I want to work out a way to get the base colors for opaque equivalents of printers' Cyan, Magenta, Yellow inks so you can use CYMK numerical values to easily get mix ratios of any RGB to CMYK convert numerical numbers. That and/or a mix/conversion of the Munsell and L*a*b* color numbers not pigment-based acrylic base color paints.

If I can get it all worked out, you should be able to go to any local paint store and buy gallons of the base acrylic colors and be able to mix any color you want, in precise ratios, by simply plugging in the RGB numbers and converting them into Photoshop, or any of the myriad online free color cover web[age apps.

There are also free webpage based converters that can let yu look up the RGB and L*a*b* color values of all the FS (Federal Standard) paint colors. This would allow you to precisely mix and match the full range of military colors, not just the dozen or so that Tamiya and Testors decide to make.

Apps like iModelkit take FS, RLM and RAL numbers and will give you precise mixing guides in all the major paints. I use it faithfully for almost everything now, I can mix any USN or Luftwaffe camo color from a handful of Vallejo Model Air colors. It also has a screen sample feature, but unless your device is calibrated correctly, I wouldn't trust using that.
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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 09:27:54 am »
I am a complete NOOB and I am starting a new build with the new kit.  Does anyone have a copy of this: 

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2017, 09:33:07 am »
Sorry for the repost.  The original was cut off.I am a complete NOOB and I am starting a new build with the new kit.  Does anyone have a copy of this:  With the original release of the kit, Round 2 provided specific Tamiya / Testors color suggestions.
I found this:
MM Medium Grey 1721
MM Neutral Gray  1725
MM Dark Ghost Gray 1741
MM Canadian Voo Doo Grey 2039
MM Sand 2053
MM Hellblau 2078
Tamiya J.N. Grey 81312 XF-12
Thank you Caladonis
He had links there to the original .pdfs but the are dead now (posted in 2012)
Any and all help and comments are greatly appreciated!!
Thanks!

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2017, 09:59:52 am »
Thanks for all the good paint info.

I have smoothy on the shelf so this info will come be useful in the future.

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2017, 06:43:29 pm »
Sorry for the repost.  The original was cut off.I am a complete NOOB and I am starting a new build with the new kit.  Does anyone have a copy of this:  With the original release of the kit, Round 2 provided specific Tamiya / Testors color suggestions.
I found this:
MM Medium Grey 1721
MM Neutral Gray  1725
MM Dark Ghost Gray 1741
MM Canadian Voo Doo Grey 2039
MM Sand 2053
MM Hellblau 2078
Tamiya J.N. Grey 81312 XF-12
Thank you Caladonis
He had links there to the original .pdfs but the are dead now (posted in 2012)
Any and all help and comments are greatly appreciated!!
Thanks!

The information you refer to are the original paint recommendations by Round 2 that came out several years before the 2015 / 2016 Smithsonian restoration of the 11-foot TOS Enterprise filming miniature.  Here they are:

Exterior Hull:
  • Tamiya J.N. Grey 81312 FX-12
  • Round 2 Note: Lighten slightly

Exterior Accents:
  • Testors MM Medium Gray 1721

Saucer Pylon Accent:
  • Testors MM Hellblau 2078

Intercooler Accent:
  • Testors MM Canadian Voo Doo Grey 2039

Interior Hangar Accent:
  • 50 / 50 Testors MM Neutral Grey 1725 and Dark Ghost Gray 1741

Interior Hangar Walls:
  • Testors MM Sand (ANA616) 2053

White (optional):
  • Testors Flat White 1168TT

Metallic Copper:
  • Testors Copper 1151TT

Metallic Silver:
  • Testors Aluminum 1181TT

Clear Red:
  • Testors Acrylic Clear Red 4630

Clear Green:
  • Testors Acrylic Clear Green 4668



Much of this information may now be outdated / incorrect due to the new Smithsonian findings analyzed during the 2015 / 2016 restoration.

Round 2 has now provided an updated color swatch guide included with the 50th Anniversary re-release of the 1:350 TOS Enterprise kit (kit number POL938).  However, they have not given out this information publicly, nor does it seem like they ever will at this point.

Star Trek historian and consultant Gary Kerr is still working on providing a detailed color guide in the coming weeks / months.  In the meantime, the information in the earlier posts of this thread (http://scifimodelaction.com/sfmaforum/index.php?topic=6508.msg84556#msg84556 and http://scifimodelaction.com/sfmaforum/index.php?topic=6508.msg84594#msg84594) are about as accurate as one can get for now.

This thread will continually be updated as Gary puts out more information, so keep tuning in.

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2017, 10:02:38 pm »
Gadgetron,
Thanks!!!  EXACTLY what I was looking for!

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2017, 03:38:07 am »
Hi, Everyone!

Gary Kerr and his associates are still working on getting hobby paint matches for the updated TOS Enterprise color guide.

He has, however, just released a preview tease of what's to come (http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/6192001-post1879.html).  Here are two sets of Testors enamel paint color combinations for the pilot and production hulls:

Pilot Hull Gray:
Production Hull Gray:

I have gone ahead and included the corresponding RGB color hex colors and matching Testors Model Master Acrylic colors where I can.

Stay tuned for more...

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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2017, 03:38:35 am »
Thanks for the update Gadgetron.
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Re: [Color Guide - TOS Enterprise] 2016 Smithsonian Restoration Findings
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 01:35:18 pm »
Hi, Everyone!

A few more tidbits on things that were done with the 2016 Smithsonian restoration...

  • Bussard Dome (Outer) - the outer Bussard domes were painted with Krylon Sea Glass in the Amber color.  Additional texture and lightening up was done by using a Scotch-Brite scour pad.  The outside of the outer Bussard domes is not glossy.
  • Bussard Dome (Inner) - the twelve "blades" are black, have a slight taper to them, and do not touch each other at the top of the dome.  Also, the inner domes were frosted so that they would not be completely transparent.



This thread will continually be updated as more information is put out, so keep tuning in.

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