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Offline Shawn McClure

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2017, 11:23:26 am »
Oh man is that going to be a cool effect.

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2017, 07:49:30 am »
quick question for you all! I was thinking of going for a pearlescent Aztec pattern on the pristine version of the Reliant (as I have the orbital drydock masks), and was wondering if people thought this would look terrible or not? If not, and you think it's worth a go, what colours would look best? Blue and Gold?

For the TMP Era ships, I think the "pearlescent Aztec pattern on the pristine version" would be fine and in keeping with the Time period. As for the Blue and Gold, I dunno. I have seen Boyd use blue, green, red and gold to achieve that beautiful prismatic reflective surface on a couple of his TMP Enterprises - but it is your build. It may take some searching on the Modelshop or Trekworks on Youtube to find the specific video, but it would be worth a peek to see if you like it or not. Here is one I found on the fly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HsKaR8Ot3s

He has others, so take a look.

Hope this helps! Really enjoying your build log!

Steve
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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2017, 04:22:11 pm »
Thanks again, Steve! Really good call!

Only a tiny update on the beast today, as it's mostly been lighting tests (mostly).

https://youtu.be/p1VMyBPlH4I


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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2017, 08:04:36 am »
That lighting effect is really awesome.

Are you going to eliminate the port nacelle, or show the ship just after the first photon hit the nacelle?

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2017, 08:36:00 am »
That is a great question, Shawn!

i've been thinking about both approaches, and as your question has just prompted me to go and check, i've learned a shocking truth that has shaken me to the very core. I thought i knew this film so well!

it would appear the first phaser shot does not destroy the back half of the nacelle as i always believed! the below shots are taken from after the phaser hit (so the first phaser hit is at 1hr 25mins on the dot, and the photon hits at about 1hr 25mins 7sec in), and the photos are taken just after the photon is fired, and also after it hits.

I'm still reeling from this revelation.






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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2017, 03:25:03 pm »
Ahh yeah, I see that too.   It's like it just blew out the sides.  I had forgotten it was a phaser and not a photon with the first shot on the nacell.

I remember when watching the movie that I thought it was strange that they blew the nacell off and didn't target another part of the ship instead.   I mean the nacell is trashed with that first shot, why hit it again? 

This is why I don't make movies.  Hahaha.

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 08:04:19 am »
Maybe it was Kirk channeling his inner Khan and making sure there was no chance for repair. No Nacelle, no repair! Of course, wasn't it Sulu on fire control?!

Sulu may have been mad that Khan broke "his" ship! :D This was his returning the favor in Spades!

I dunno, guys. Whaddayathink?!

Steve
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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2017, 06:39:31 pm »
I have been watching your build while doing mine.

I've been out of modeling for at least 25 years, I jumped back in all excited but now I am starting to feel overwhelmed.  I'm still plugging away and have to say I love what you are doing.  I have some questions-

What Aztec masks are you using?  I guess it doesn't really matter for this question...  What colors are you using for your base color and the Aztec pattern?  Next question, do you spray the base color first, put down the masks, and then spray the Aztec color?  To me it looks like if I spray the base white first, then the main ship will be the Aztec color.  Let me try to make more sense of that-  Say you wanted to use a pearl white for the Aztec panels, if you spray the base coat white, then mask and spray the pearl (or other shade of white) then the main ship will look pearl with white aztecs... did that make sense?  The rim of the saucer and edges are not covered by the masks, so unless you mask those off with regular painters tape, the ship would end up reverse colors like I mentioned.  At least that's how it is coming out in my head.  So how do you guys do this?

Next question, if you are using Aztec Dummies masks, the instructions state that the masks for the top and bottom of the saucer are different and not interchangeable.  The thing is I can't tell which sheet is the top and which is the bottom!  If you are using Aztec Dunmmy masks do you know how to tell which are top and bottom?

I'm less afraid of the lighting than all of the above!  My background is electronics, I was an Electronics Technician 1st class (E6) in the Navy, so that part doesn't scare me, at least not too much! :)   

Oh, another question, after I lay down the base coat, do I spray a gloss coat before applying the masks and then spray the contrasting color?  The instructions recommend this.  I also watched videos (tons of Boyd's) and if I recall people also said to spray a gloss coat before applying the decals.   So am I understanding this right- base coat, gloss coat, masks, contrast Aztec color, another gloss coat (??) then the decals, and a matte coat when done?

Sorry about the questions and I didn't mean to interrupt your build thread.  I can move this to another section if you want but I figured since we're both building Reliants and my questions are Reliant related I'd ask you :)

Offline incubus35

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2017, 04:00:38 am »
No problem! I've been following yours too, and you are doing a great job!

Ok, I'm defiantly no expert, but here goes...

1. The pie slices for the top/bottom. They are actually different sizes, so if you trim one of each type out and lay them down on the upper/lower saucer (with the backing still on) I think it's quite clear which is for the top and the bottom - I'm pretty sure the bottom ones are shorter (see image of the decals - 7 rows on the top, 6 on the bottom ). I'm using the Orbital Drydock masks on the Beauty, but just the free decal ones on the Beast.

2. Colours - now this one is definitely subjective, and I'd love to hear from others on this too! I believe after the use of pearlescent paints on the motion picture and the problems ILM had filming them, this was greatly toned down for the WoK. Lots of people have used a white pearlescent for the base coat, then gone for a grey main Aztec pattern, and then blue and gold for the small accent details. The only bit of advise I have on this is to make sure you clear coat a few layers over this and leave it for a few days to cure, as I've seen some horror stories of people lifting their base coat with the masks! One guy forgot to clean his model of fingerprints etc before priming and had the same problem. The other thing I'm going to do this time is replicate the primer/base coat/clear coat, on a bit of scrap styrene, and just mask off some areas with tape and practice to get the right amount of pearlescent paint/balance of colours to the base coat. But I'd say you are pretty much right:

(wash the kit!)
Primer (Boyd also suggests using an adhesion promoter first as well)
Base coat
Gloss coat (several light layers and left to cure)
Masks, main Aztec colour
Masks, accent colour/s

Then it comes to preference of your models - and if you are using any decals. Almost certainly a gloss coat if you are. If not, either a choice of gloss, satin or dull/matte. I think that the matte can take away some of the shine from your pearlescent paints should you be using those, but I like a satin finish to my models, so I'll let you know how my testing goes (I'll post some pictures when I've done them). 

If I'm totally wrong, hopefully one of the many talented people on here will help correct me! (I'm still pretty new to this myself). :)

For me, I'm in the UK, and we have some daft restrictions on certain paints etc, so I can't get hold of the polytranspar pearlescent paints that Boyd uses on his Enterprise. It's also quite expensive to get Testors paints, so I use Vallejo airbrush paints as I'm newbie to mixing/thinning colours - but for my base coat I've used their White Grey. I'm still toying with using pearlescent paints for the Aztecs on the Beauty, as it's not strictly screen accurate, but as with a lot of people - this is my practice run for the 1/350 Enterprise! Just remember, there's no right or wrong with the colours:)

I've bought these for my Aztec painting (in general):
https://www.specialistpaints.com/collections/inspire-airbrush-featured/products/inspire-sparkle-pearl-kit

Feel free to PM me if you need at any time about this build - I'd be grateful of any hints/tips you've picked up on the way too.

Good luck!
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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2017, 04:04:31 am »
Maybe it was Kirk channeling his inner Khan and making sure there was no chance for repair. No Nacelle, no repair! Of course, wasn't it Sulu on fire control?!

Sulu may have been mad that Khan broke "his" ship! :D This was his returning the favor in Spades!

I dunno, guys. Whaddayathink?!

Steve

To be fair, Steve,  if i was Sulu/Kirk, I'd have done the exact same thing to the nacelle if anyone had so much as left a key mark on my ship :)

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2017, 04:00:36 pm »
ok, so I've made a little bit more progress on the Beast this week.

I've managed to build the officers lounge window using a few strips of brass.





I've also installed the side lighting fiber optics for the forward windows, due to the narrow gap in the hull.



And also the Navs for most of the saucer, as well as the forward facing SMD to light up the registry



Here she is with a few of the decals applied



And lastly, a little video to show them all working together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWoSHr98Jws

Offline whb64

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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2017, 04:41:36 pm »
Looks great!

Offline Shawn McClure

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2017, 04:51:46 pm »
That looks so cool.
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Re: Reliant - 1/537
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2017, 03:42:11 am »
I have to say that I really like the idea of doing this one as a battle damaged version. Keep it going!
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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2017, 06:31:14 am »
thanks everyone! :)

thought i'd share this moment. always a nice one putting down the registry!




 




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