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Offline MSgtUSAFRet

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2018, 07:39:56 am »
Thanks, Steve! I am a huge admirer of your work, so you comment means a lot.

Thanks Dave! Back at ya!

It's interesting to hear your troubles with the PE parts. I have the TOS Viper in the stash with the PE parts for it on a wishlist. I hope I don't have your troubles with them. *sigh*

Anyway, don't give up on the build and keep posting. I wanna see what you do with this fantastic piece!

Steve
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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2018, 08:14:42 am »
Well the paint attempt with the kit-recommended Model Master enamel paint has been a bust. I am just not good enough at airbrushing yet to get this to work, so it's time to strip the model and come up with a suitable acrylic replacement. *sigh*

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2018, 11:34:58 am »
Well the paint attempt with the kit-recommended Model Master enamel paint has been a bust. I am just not good enough at airbrushing yet to get this to work, so it's time to strip the model and come up with a suitable acrylic replacement. *sigh*

Dude! I feel your pain!

So what are you gonna use as the stripping agent/method?

I actually seem to have more success with enamel than with acrylics, but, to each their own.

What, specifically, caused the "bust"? Did you paint another type of paint for the primer? Do you know what went wrong?

Always curious. Not saying you did anything wrong, just wanna know...

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Steve
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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2018, 12:23:01 pm »
Well the paint attempt with the kit-recommended Model Master enamel paint has been a bust. I am just not good enough at airbrushing yet to get this to work, so it's time to strip the model and come up with a suitable acrylic replacement. *sigh*

Dude! I feel your pain!

So what are you gonna use as the stripping agent/method?

I actually seem to have more success with enamel than with acrylics, but, to each their own.

What, specifically, caused the "bust"? Did you paint another type of paint for the primer? Do you know what went wrong?

Always curious. Not saying you did anything wrong, just wanna know...

:)

Steve

Already stripped down to the primer and pre-shading just using Testors enamel thinner, some paper towels, q-tips, and a lot of elbow grease. Cleaning up fine details now, doing some clean up sanding, then I'm going to let it dry and paint either tonight or tomorrow.

I am very new to airbrushing so I'm not sure what went wrong. I was using Model Masters Pontiac Engine Blue which is a nice metallic blue-gray but I either had it too thin and it ran, too thick and it didn't cover right and clogged the brush, so that the final result was just not what I wanted. It's a great color and I have a rattle can of it as well I am going to try on some spare plastic to see if I can get what I want, but most likely I will use some kind of acrylic gray-blue mix.

It was surprisingly easy to strip down.

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2018, 06:31:53 pm »
Hey Modeler Dave, I thought I would chime in on your airbrushing and enamel woes and do so especially because Steve has also!

As Steve did mention, it's to each his own when it comes to the paint chemistry that one chooses to use.  If you "grew up" on enamels then they're probably your "go to" paints for getting back into the hobby.  But I have to tell you, there are some wonderful acrylics that are durable, finely pigmented, and can be airbrushed directly with no thinning.  It takes all the guess work out of thinning ratios and the mess out of airbrush cleaning that we used to have.  In fact, I just finished a vintage Cylon Raider (pics forthcoming) in Ammo by Mig acrylics and I couldn't be any more pleased.  I've also been airbrushing with Vallejo Air acrylics for WWII armor and found the same high level of performance and finish with even more paint color availability.

I've built the Viper Mk I and Mk II and used Tamiya flat white as the base color and was quite pleased with the results, but with my Cylon Raider, I used a combination of Ammo by Mig Cold Gray and the darker Stone Gray paints.  Since the MK VII always appeared somewhat darker to me, you might look into the Stone Gray color, as well as other potential Vallejo colors.

When it comes to enamels, as modelers we really don't need the durability they provide and acrylics will suffice in this regard.  Since acrylics are water soluble, they afford brush painting and diluting to make washes very easy.

Anyway, that's it for my input.  I'll let Steve and other join the conversation.

Al

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2018, 08:01:18 pm »
For me it's interesting how i choose my paints these days.  For the recent "ECTO-1" I decided on enamel spray cans, though I am pretty sure I could have obtained a good white/gloss cote finish with the airbrush.   For everything else these days I am using Stynylrez primer and acrylics with the airbrush.  The acrylic are all over the map between Testors AB paints, Vallejo paints thinned and other mixes thinned as needed.  For the most part, not going back from the airbrush.
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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2018, 01:28:58 pm »
I'll let Steve and other join the conversation.

Wha'd I do now?!?

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Steve
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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2018, 04:09:46 pm »
For me it's interesting how i choose my paints these days.  For the recent "ECTO-1" I decided on enamel spray cans, though I am pretty sure I could have obtained a good white/gloss cote finish with the airbrush.   For everything else these days I am using Stynylrez primer and acrylics with the airbrush.  The acrylic are all over the map between Testors AB paints, Vallejo paints thinned and other mixes thinned as needed.  For the most part, not going back from the airbrush.

Thanks, Al. It was a very specific color recommended for the Viper body and I just could not get it to work. I also had a rattle can of the stuff and it went on a little better but was way too granular for my taste, so I ended up repriming everything and repainting using an acrylic.

Good news is that the model is basically done! I need to finish wiring up the base and then I will be posting pictures of the end of the build and the final product.

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2018, 04:53:43 pm »
Steve, just do what you always do -- add some great insightful comments and suggestions!

Dave, sounds like you've turned the corner on this one.  Best of luck getting it finished and in the "Gallery".

Al

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2018, 07:48:08 pm »
And it's DONE!

I kept the weathering fairly minimal. It's easy to go overboard and I didn't want to make this one too banged up.

Lots of pics. Sorry about the quality, i only have my iPhone to use and the indoor lighting is horrible. I'll take a few more tomorrow in the daylight.

I'm also going to write a full post-mortem about what I learned from this build, but not until tomorrow. I need a drink!

First try with an automotive paint from a rattle can. I disliked the outcome and primed over it to start fresh.


Some weathering close ups.








So much putty along the body seams to get the stupid cockpit to fit. Thank god for weathering to cover up the larger mistakes.


You won't see much of the underside once it's mounted.


I added a scratch-built throttle since the kit only has one mounted in the pilot's hand, and I'm not using the pilot.




The Galactica and Viper decals here are silvering pretty badly. Not sure what happened. Grrr...


Engine lights flicker.












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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2018, 08:42:05 am »
Now for the post mortem.

I have a love/hate relationship with the airbrush. I love the results (mostly), but the constant clogging, working on proper paint thickness (too thick! too thin!), cleaning it all the time, sometimes uneven spraying...ugh. I'm chalking most of this up to my inexperience, and I am getting a little better, but it's still a bit of a dreaded chore. I am not ready yet to try to actually weather with an airbrush until I have a lot more practice.

I am terrible at soldering! It really shouldn't be this hard.

Firsts for me in this build (again, only my third as an adult):

  • First custom built base
  • First use of photo etch (PITA but when they work they really work)
  • First use of Future (I like it!)
  • First use of oil paints for weathering (also like it)


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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2018, 07:52:33 am »
Dave,

It still looks great - despite all the "firsts".

I understand your relationship with the airbrush! I have the same one with mine.

Still, it looks better with it than with hand painted brush marks.

Great results!

What's next on the bench?

Steve
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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2018, 08:02:20 am »
Thanks, Steve! Despite all the issues (aren't they a requirement for this hobby?) I'm pretty happy with how this came out.

I am working on a Moebius Colonial One but I may work on a rather lousy Revell F-14C model I picked up on sale just to practice my airbrush skills on something I'm not going to be overly particular about. And not have to worry about custom lighting!

Here's the base I build for Colonial One. The white lights are constant; the red lights are synced to blink on and off together.


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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2018, 07:48:35 pm »
Wow..  That interior of that thing is incredible.  Great job.

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Re: Colonial Viper Mk vii
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2018, 08:40:14 pm »
Wow..  That interior of that thing is incredible.  Great job.

Shawn

Thank you! I appreciate the comment.

 




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